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To: El Gato
If it's not been altered, and for most purposes, but not all purposes. Even the State of Hawaii won't accept if for at least some purposes.

From what I have read, the only thing the COLB isn't good for are homestead applications. That's because in Hawaii you need to have Hwaiian ancestry, not just Hawaiian birth, to get a homestead, and the COLB doesn't have enough information to verify Hawaiian ancestry. Are there any other purposes for which Hawaii won't accept it? Please provide your source.

Similarly, even Hawaii's short form BC/Certification won't be accepted for a passport if the time between birth and registration is over 1 year.

Source please.

The Hawaii Certification of Live Birth is probably not sufficient to prove Natural Born Citizenship,

Why not? Do you have any sources to back up this claim?

738 posted on 01/15/2009 5:32:04 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Sources????

There have been months and months of data entered into these threads with link after link of logical and empirical data on all of this and you now ask for sources...take the time to go back and read the thousands upon thousands of posts across multiple threads - there you will find your sources...these freedom fighters are way beyond catching you up.

743 posted on 01/15/2009 6:35:02 PM PST by IrishPennant (Patriotism is strongest when accompanied by bad politics, loyal FRiends and great whiskey)
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To: curiosity
Similarly, even Hawaii's short form BC/Certification won't be accepted for a passport if the time between birth and registration is over 1 year.

Source please.

From the US State Department:

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

The Certification of Live Birth is a "short (abstract) version"

The Hawaii Certification of Live Birth is probably not sufficient to prove Natural Born Citizenship,

Why not? Do you have any sources to back up this claim?
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It gets into the requirement for Natural Born Citizenship. If birth in the US is sufficient, then the Certification would also be sufficient. However is parental citizenship is also a factor, then it is not sufficient, because it doesn't show parental citizenship, or place of birth. Birth in the US *is* sufficient for citizenship, via the 14th amendment (with some exceptions, such as children of foreign Ambassadors), but *may not* be sufficient for Natural Born citizenship, when the father was a foreign citizen/subject at the time of birth. But the courts have never adjudicated that. They've said a few things on the subject, but note ruled on it. The only time it really comes up is eligibility for the office of President. Otherwise a citizen is a citizen and natural born status is not required. (There are all sorts of Office holders who are naturalized citizens, the Governator being one of the better known ones).

747 posted on 01/15/2009 7:13:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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