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To: rmlew
Paleoconservatives are stuck in grivence politics and won't act rationally.

And who has the grievance here? :-)

They will not honestly define antisemetism or ct accordingly, because to doso would be to choose to expunge some, or to make antisemetism non-issue.

Oh, but I am the person here who is defining "antisemitism." The other half of the conversation is refusing to "delineate" anything at all. And I am acting accordingly. Since Pat Buchanan hasn't said anything anti-semitic I am not not saying he is anti-semitic. Pretty simple, huh? But, since you don't agree with me maybe you just hate people of my sex, color or religion? What about that?

Buchanan does not like Israel.

Well, that sure does close things out, doesn't it? I mean, there is no way to respond to that dazzling proof, is there? Though, when I think about it, it doesn't quite sound like anti-semitism, does it? I mean, I dislike the NAACP, but am I absolutely a racist?

It probably doesn't matter though since, unfortunately, even that lame charge is in fact a lie. Let us rely on Pat Buchanan to clear things up. Let us read what he wrote in 2003 in the American Conservative:

The Israeli people are America’s friends and have a right to peace and secure borders. We should help them secure these rights. As a nation, we have made a moral commitment, endorsed by half a dozen presidents, which Americans wish to honor, not to permit these people who have suffered much to see their country overrun and destroyed. And we must honor this commitment.

Funny way to express dislike, isn't it? Not that it would matter. Even if he did dislike Israel it is not anti-semitism until you can prove that hatred of Jews in general is why he dislikes Israel.

But, please don't let this stuff get in the way of your own pet hatreds. We conservatives are used to being hated, and it is rarely for what we actually believe.

93 posted on 01/10/2009 9:07:09 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: cothrige
I don't hate Buchanan. I debated for him and voted for him in 2000.

I did not call PAt an antisemite. What I said was, "Buchanan does not like Israel. He despises Nazi hunters more than SS members. He is stuck in the 1930s. "

The Israeli people are America’s friends and have a right to peace and secure borders. We should help them secure these rights. As a nation, we have made a moral commitment, endorsed by half a dozen presidents, which Americans wish to honor, not to permit these people who have suffered much to see their country overrun and destroyed. And we must honor this commitment.
That's a nice statement, the equivalent of liberals defending their patriotism, right before they redefine it into meaninglessness. Buchanan not only opposes any action that would prevent Iran from nuking Israel, but he has also supported Israel becoming a bi national state, which is to say it being destroyed in the name of peace.

Since 1992, Buchanan has persistently attacked every single attempt of Israel to defend itself since then. And he does so in the most possible inflammatory manner possible.

Funny way to express dislike, isn't it? Not that it would matter. Even if he did dislike Israel it is not anti-semitism until you can prove that hatred of Jews in general is why he dislikes Israel.

I suggest that you read Lawrence Auster's Buchanan's White Whale

94 posted on 01/10/2009 10:10:40 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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