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To: swordfishtrombone
No one's "throwing around" the epithet of anti-Semitic. My charge is that Buchanan is definitely an anti-Semite, and since you can't see this despite quotes spanning 30 years, my suspicion is that you are too.

Good thing you don't throw this charge around.

And you do have quotes, neatly excised from all context, though you cannot understand them in any case. They say the opposite of what you think they do, and by making these absurd claims you only advertise your own shortcomings. Since nobody here has shown where Pat Buchanan has actually said that the Jews are to be hated or that he does in fact hate them there is, of course, nothing to be seen at all. Only a semi-literate cretin can make the leap that not agreeing with Israel's political activity or positions is synonymous with anti-semitism. And your "suspicion" about me puts the proof to the "veracity" of your charges.

Does defending the indefensible come naturally to you, or did you have to work at it after raping common sense?

I have defended nothing but sensibility and reality. And if the "sense" you use is "common" then the world really is in trouble.

Anyone... anyone who still thinks Pat Buchanan isn't anti-Semitic (or at the absolute very least, anti-Israel... which I will not delineate between) is seriously in need of some soul searching

Of course you will not "delineate between" these ideas. You could not delineate either of them if you tried, and that is obvious. Based on your "understanding" of the quotes given by Pat Buchanan it is clear that you read like many people swing hammers. Your understanding of anti-semitism, and why other than automatically agreeing with a country in the Middle East in politics is not such, is likely to be as clear as mud. We shouldn't trouble ourselves. And I am used to this "thinking," as I have made clear. The left uses it all the time. Not supporting the politics of homosexuals is homophobia. Not supporting the politics of blacks is racism. It goes on and on. Don't worry, you are in wonderful company.

As for my position, and my soul for that matter, perhaps you need not worry. In this case you didn't even need to sift 30 years of quotes to jump to mischaracterization, but did it with five or six posts in one thread on a public web forum. You are clearly improving.

92 posted on 01/10/2009 8:42:11 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: cothrige
I've (wrongly) assumed you'd just drop this losing battle... anyway

And you do have quotes, neatly excised from all context, though you cannot understand them in any case. They say the opposite of what you think they do, and by making these absurd claims you only advertise your own shortcomings. Since nobody here has shown where Pat Buchanan has actually said that the Jews are to be hated or that he does in fact hate them there is, of course, nothing to be seen at all. Only a semi-literate cretin can make the leap that not agreeing with Israel's political activity or positions is synonymous with anti-semitism.

Buchanan: (...) The Israelis have been hit for six months with these little rockets that didn't kill anybody. It was outrageous, cruel and stupid, and they triggered a blitzkrieg against the Palestinians in Gaza, which in my judgment is an Israeli concentration camp, where a million-and-a-half people are locked up, cannot come out or go in. They've been controlling food, electricity, fuel. And the innocent people in Gaza are the ones suffering.

Buchanan has always patently refused the moniker of anti-Semite for obvious reasons. He said "...the slur of 'anti-Semite!' for what it has all too often become, an attempt to smear, silence, intimidate, ostracize and blacklist." He was addressing Mel Gibson after the Passion and he brought up a valid point.

Therein lies the problem with Buchanan: He's sharp. The man can anticipate attacks in interviews, answer when and how he wants and ultimate refuses to be pinned down with anything other than what he wants. Podhoretz, Dershowitz, and all the neocons in D.C. have, at one point or another, tried to tie him down to no avail. Does this nullify their point? If anything, it speaks only to Pat's uncanny ability to dance his way out of a hot issue. Unless of course it was his claim that diesel exhaust can't kill people, which he was challenged to defend but couldn't find the time to actually do so. I think getting Demjanjuk off the hook went to his head; all the future Nazi revisionism became self-fulfilling in his eyes

The real issue isn't taking things out of context here, which is apparently the hill you want to die on. The biggest question of all is why would anyone, when addressing Hitler, employ words like "courage" or "gifts" at all? Why even open yourself up to it? It's begging for controversy where there doesn't need to be any. That makes him an attention whore, on top of a running theme of anti-jewry/anti-jewish policy/anti-jewry-defending-itself... sorry, I'm just trying not to use "anti-Semite" anymore to prevent you having an aneurism

See, for us semi-literate cretins, while we pause hunched over text... grunting and foaming at the mouth, feet kicking the air wildly while we comprehend the next word's meaning, occasionally we get lucky and read between the lines as we stare listlessly at the page

There's a problem with being an Isolationist and passing judgment on a nation defending itself against terror and military aggression: it makes you sound like a blithering idiot or a hypocrite. When that nation is Israel, a nation who has never sought to conquer anyone else, only defend it's own borders and hard-won land, you go from sounding like an Isolationist with a chip on his shoulder to an ANTI-SEMITE

96 posted on 01/11/2009 4:23:53 PM PST by swordfishtrombone
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