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Private sector cut 693,000 jobs in December
Reuters ^ | Wed Jan 7, 9:08 | John Parry and Burton Frierson

Posted on 01/07/2009 8:53:05 PM PST by Doofer

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Private-sector employers shed 693,000 jobs in December, a private employment service said on Wednesday in a report that was far worse than expected and pointed to more ugly news from the government's jobs data due later this week.

The drop, much bigger than the revised 476,000 private sector jobs lost in November, is consistent with about a 670,000 fall in December non-farm payrolls, said Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers LLC, which jointly develops the private sector employment report with ADP Employer Services.

On Friday the government will release its non-farm payrolls report, considered the most authoritative gauge of the U.S. labor market.

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To: RckyRaCoCo

I agree with you. Manufactured just in time for the election. Just weeks before the election the main points of concern went from Iraq War and Oil to the economy crashing/the next great depression arriving.

What wonderful timing they have.

Things may get worse, but it sure seemed strange for it to reach calamity level suddenly just a few weeks before Nov. ‘08.


41 posted on 01/07/2009 11:09:04 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Yup.

The rule of thumb is that > 400K jobs in two successive reports is cause to worry about a recession.

We’re well past that point.

My bet: We’re going to see an unemployment rate over 10% by the end of 2009. If we don’t, I’ll be happy to be proven wrong.

But the economists and policy wonks have been consistently under-estimating the job losses, coupling and debt failures in this crisis, and I’m going to bet that the Fed’s 9% prediction is going to be on the low side. The Fed has yet to get one of their predictions right throughout this mess.


42 posted on 01/07/2009 11:32:13 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Doofer
Private sector cut 693,000 jobs in December

That's alright.
Obama's gonna change it; Obama's gonna lead us.
He'll "create" 693,000 or more gubbamint jobs.
Yes he can.
Just you wait and see!

43 posted on 01/07/2009 11:39:52 PM PST by XR7
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To: nc28205
nc28205 writes: “ADP numbers often vary widely from the payrolls number reported by the government.....”

I'll say.

Just last week ADP reported a 250,000 decline.

Initial Jobless Claims were actually 492,000, almost 100% more than the ADP number!

The Leftside press and Obama hype every politically useful statistic and then talk the economy down as hard and as viciously as they can.

Otherwise, what possible justification do the Democrats have for a government directed trillion dollar stimulus?

If Initial Claims and the Unemployment Rate come in better than expected this week, these same people will suddenly tell us that the data suck and must be ignored.

44 posted on 01/07/2009 11:40:09 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Doofer
not to worry....these were only the private sector workers...not nearly as important or deserving as the public service workers....

its all about the civil servants afterall.....I think we should throw another federal holiday at them just to make them feel more love....../sarcasm/

45 posted on 01/07/2009 11:46:20 PM PST by cherry
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To: Frantzie
its all very discouraging what is happening....you are so right about the law.....Rangel...Dodd.....Blago...barry bolshevik....stealing America's assets for the bankers....I worry about them stealing my now meager 401.....

I don't trust even saving money anymore..why should we save....we're better off being losers and deadbeats....

46 posted on 01/07/2009 11:49:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: dannyprimrose1
the base had cheap rum at $ 7.90 a bottle just before Christmas......I've got me a little ol' collection ...just for the rum cakes and fruitcakes of course...

seriously....liquor won't go bad will it?

47 posted on 01/07/2009 11:52:46 PM PST by cherry
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To: Doofer

I have a feeling there’s going to be a lot of levelling with the American people, starting January 21st.

September job losses were revised from 140 k to 402 k.

That’s probably just the 1st monthly revision. Triple in September than the Bush cabinet tried to pass off? It was just a cooked-up number.

We’re looking at a retail collapse, and our economy is 87 % consumer spending driven. That means we have no real economy right now, just ever-expanding government balance sheets.

We need a new economic engine, and the Democrats get to build it. Strange times ahead no matter what your political perspective. We’re entering a world of mass people on government benefits.

Does anyone think 20 % unemployment by the end of the year is out of the question? No retail, no office jobs. Those gigs really just fo things for people in other offices, mostly. It’s a big phony private economy all built on the back of processing retail invoices and turning them into jobs where people sit at desks all day.

What a disaster.


48 posted on 01/08/2009 12:16:55 AM PST by skipper18
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To: cherry

Worked to death, taxed to death, savings stolen.

What’s not to like?


49 posted on 01/08/2009 1:06:56 AM PST by Leisler (It is always said it is for the children. (Not your children..others...somewhere))
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To: ilgipper
If this trend continues, we are in deep doo doo.

We are already in deep doo doo. That Bush economy just keeps burning up!

50 posted on 01/08/2009 2:45:00 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Great patriotic stuff at www.patriotstore.us.)
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To: Doofer

McDole may be the loser, but he inherited the better fiscal plan from Romney;

Pro-Growth Tax Policy

* Keep Tax Rates Low: Entrepreneurs are at the heart of American innovation, growth and prosperity. Entrepreneurs create the ultimate job security — a new, better opportunity if your current job goes away. Entrepreneurs should not be taxed into submission. John McCain will fight the Democrats’ crippling plans for a tax increase in 2011. Left to their devices, Democrats will impose a massive $100 billion tax hike, almost $700 per taxpayer every year.

* Make It Harder To Raise Taxes: John McCain believes it should require a 3/5 majority vote in Congress to raise taxes.

* Cut The Corporate Tax Rate From 35 To 25 Percent. A lower corporate tax rate is essential to U.S. competitiveness. America was once a low-tax business environment, but as our trade partners lowered their rates, America failed to keep pace, leaving us with the second-highest rate among the world’s advanced economies.

* Reward Saving, Investment and Risk-Taking: Low taxes on dividends and capital gains promote saving, channel investment dollars to innovative, high-value uses and not wasteful financial planning. John McCain will keep the current rates on dividends and capital gains and fight anti-growth efforts by Democrats.

* Allow First-Year Deduction, Or “Expensing”, Of Equipment And Technology Investments. Expensing of equipment and technology will provide an immediate boost to capital expenditures and reward investments in cutting-edge technologies.


51 posted on 01/08/2009 2:55:34 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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To: Doofer

Pro-Innovation Tax Cuts

* Ban Internet Taxes: John McCain believes we must make a farsighted, robust, and fervent commitment to innovation and new technologies to sustain our global competitiveness, meet our national security challenges, achieve less costly and more effective health care, reduce dangerous dependence on foreign sources of oil, and raise the quality of education in the United States. John McCain has been a leader in keeping the Internet free of taxes. As President, he will seek a permanent ban on taxes that threaten this engine of economic growth and prosperity.

* Ban New Cell Phone Taxes: John McCain understands that the same people that would tax e-mail will tax every text message — and even 911 calls. John McCain will prohibit new cellular telephone taxes.

* Establish Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D. This reform will simplify the tax code, reward activity in the United States, and make us more competitive with other countries. A permanent credit will provide an incentive to innovate and remove uncertainty. At a time when our companies need to be more competitive, we need to provide a permanent incentive to innovate, and remove the uncertainty now hanging over businesses as they make R&D investment decisions.


52 posted on 01/08/2009 2:55:37 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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To: Doofer

REFORMING WASHINGTON TO REGAIN THE TRUST OF TAXPAYERS
Wasteful spending in Washington has gone from irresponsible to indefensible. Right now, even the government reports that one-fifth of programs are receiving failing marks. John McCain will restore the trust that Americans have lost in their government spending their hard earned money wisely. (John McCain’s detailed government reform plan may be found here.)

Eliminating Wasteful Spending

* Stop Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending, And Waste: John McCain will veto every pork-laden spending bill and make their authors famous. As President, he will seek the line-item veto to reduce waste and eliminate earmarks that have led to corruption. Earmarks restrict America’s ability to address genuine national priorities and interfere with fair, competitive markets.

* Leadership, Courage And Choices: Reduced spending means making choices. John McCain will provide the courageous leadership necessary to control spending, including:
o Eliminate broken government programs. The federal government itself admits that 1 in 5 programs do not perform.
o Reform our civil service system to promote accountability and good performance in our federal workforce.
o Eliminate earmarks, wasteful subsidies, and pork-barrel spending.
o Reform procurement programs and cut wasteful spending in defense and non-defense programs.

Budgetary Reform To Give Tax Cuts A Fair Chance

* Congress Has Unfairly Stacked The Deck To Spend More And Raise Taxes.
o If a spending program is on the books, budgets assume that it is on the books forever — and continues to grow — even if the law says it expires.
o If low taxes are on the books, budgets don’t assume that they last forever. When they expire, those taxes are automatically raised.
o John McCain will reform budgeting to treat equally spending and taxes and to stop damaging tax hikes.


53 posted on 01/08/2009 2:55:41 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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To: Gritty
I understand new government jobs will go up by 600,000 under our new King , er, President Obama

Now we know the size of his civilian national security force he wants to create........

54 posted on 01/08/2009 3:01:19 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Doofer
The jack ass is at minimum going to run up a $2 trillion dollar deficit in his first term. Putting that in perspective, that would be the equivalent of eliminating the entire income tax for 1 year and sending every one the $500-$1,000 rebates/hand outs he is proposing.

Of course the economy is going into the $*iter, the Government is sucking up every available investment dollar to finance it's super deficit.

55 posted on 01/08/2009 3:13:50 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Doofer

This payrolls report comes out monthly in advance of the jobs numbers released by the gov’t on the 1st Friday of each month and is the (alleged) definitive report.

When the economy was growing and the private report was forecasting huge job creation it was routinely dismissed by the lib media as being inaccurate.


56 posted on 01/08/2009 3:29:39 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: uptoolate
Re: your tag line.

Yes, I agree.

But now that Obammie the Commie is in charge, they will be shouting at the top of their lungs to try to drown out His voice.

57 posted on 01/08/2009 5:00:28 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Abortion has become little more than the New Left's execution of political prisoners.)
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To: Borges
You're right.

People will play by the rules...to a limit, as the Laffer curve demonstrates.

However, with Obammie the Commie's promise to expand government and his intimations regarding some sort of ‘government-run civilian militia’ (Orwellian ‘newspeak’ like I've never heard), there could suddenly be a sharp increase of ‘drop-in audits’ on businesses everywhere.

58 posted on 01/08/2009 5:07:01 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Abortion has become little more than the New Left's execution of political prisoners.)
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To: unkus

Both.


59 posted on 01/08/2009 6:18:07 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: uptoolate

What happened on July 24th, 2008?


60 posted on 01/08/2009 6:42:20 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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