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Amish Sue New York Town for Discrimination Over Building Code Enforcement
Fox News / AP ^ | January 06, 2009

Posted on 01/06/2009 8:57:51 PM PST by bamahead

The Amish families claim the town of Morristown has refused to issue building permits that would allow them to practice their religion and build homes according to their beliefs.

"The U.S. Constitution, and legal precedent all the way to the Supreme Court, are clear. The Amish, who are known throughout the world as master craftsmen and master builders, have the right to practice their beliefs. That includes building and living in homes that conform to those beliefs," Rassbach said.

Before 2006, the Swartzentruber Amish in Morristown were granted building permits and allowed to build their structures according to traditional standards and customs without interference, according to the 37-page lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Watertown.

However, since 2006, Morristown officials have brought more than 10 separate prosecutions against the Amish, the lawsuit said....

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KEYWORDS: amish; freedom; lawsuit; lp; nannystate
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1 posted on 01/06/2009 8:57:52 PM PST by bamahead
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2 posted on 01/06/2009 8:58:28 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Ping.


3 posted on 01/06/2009 9:04:21 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: bamahead
Seems that no matter how uniform the building code, there's always someone who figures out how to misuse it to beat up on the Amish.

BTW, those building codes are pretty consistent throughout the United States these days ~ no more UBIC/BOCA dichotomy ~

Think about it, except in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and New York, everybody else appears to not have a problem with Amish compliance.

Could it be that WI, PA and NY are "special"?

Hmmmmm?!?!?!?! ! ! ????

4 posted on 01/06/2009 9:08:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bamahead
Lanetta Kay Davis - Google Search
5 posted on 01/06/2009 9:08:48 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF - Year: 1972)
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To: bamahead

This is a tough issue. Normally, I wouldn’t prefer the hand of government in Amish affairs. Building codes are oftentimes ridiculous, as well.

However, if we all the Amish to build as they wish based on their religious beliefs, then we would have to do the same for every group.

This would also open the door for such things as Muslim women being allowed to completely cover their face in their driver’s license photos for “religious reasons”

I think there is a point in which some lines must be drawn. I don’t think that telling the Amish to observe the same local building codes as everyone else is an over-reach.


6 posted on 01/06/2009 9:10:01 PM PST by lmr
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To: bamahead

Whoa! Whoa! Don’t be pushin’ on them Amish. You know how they are!


7 posted on 01/06/2009 9:10:54 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: bamahead
The question is, are the codes rational and reasonable; or are they arbitrary and designed to force people to patronize private building contractors who have bought off contributed to politicians.
8 posted on 01/06/2009 9:25:08 PM PST by Clock King (Radical Conservatives, arise!)
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To: Eagles6; Liberty Valance

You’re right about that. I shudder to think of all the horse drawn buggies burning as the riots go on all night.


9 posted on 01/06/2009 9:26:47 PM PST by Brucifer (Proud member of the Double Secret Reloading Underground.)
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To: lmr

Maybe the problem is government drivers licenses and government building codes.


10 posted on 01/06/2009 9:27:24 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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To: lmr

I agree with you, to some extent. The driver license issue is one of safety and for purposes of identification which is a legitimate law enforcement issue. Some, but not all, building codes are in place for the purpose of public and fire personnel safety. If the specific code sections to which they object involve safety, then the Amish should be held to that standard. If it is a nonsafety issue and simply blind enforcement of useless codes, then the Amish ought to be allowed to argue for an exemption on a case-by-case basis and only on the grounds of serious interference with the practice of their religion. I don’t believe it would set a serious precedent if challenges were limited to those very narrow avenues.


11 posted on 01/06/2009 9:32:53 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: bamahead

Smoke detectors are against their religious beliefs? Sorry - I have to disagree. Smoke detectors prevent buildings from burning down, and fires spread. Maybe to the houses of people who AREN’T Amish.


12 posted on 01/06/2009 9:35:41 PM PST by Hilda
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To: bamahead

Had to pay $25 for permit to put up a new section of fence to replace an old section of fence. The Amish are different why?


13 posted on 01/06/2009 9:36:48 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: lmr

Sorry, but “drawing the line” by equating potential muslim terrorists hiding behind a veil in an ID photo, with not letting the Amish continue building traditional structures with an over 100 year safety record is, I submit, asinine.

Your analogy is as absurd as arguing to ban leatherworkers who make holsters for handguns because their allowance might somehow imply personal ownership of nuclear weapons.

Hyper-generalization is rampant and destroying critical thinking and clear understanding everywhere. Try not to add to it.


14 posted on 01/06/2009 9:36:50 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: lmr; bamahead
I wouldn’t prefer the hand of government in Amish affairs. Building codes are oftentimes ridiculous, as well.

If anything, the Amish could teach the government a thing or two about how to run an economy.

This would also open the door for such things as Muslim women being allowed to completely cover their face in their driver’s license photos for “religious reasons”

They should be allowed to cover their faces for any reason.

I remember a time when there was no photograph on a driver's license.

What's next, fingerprints? implanted biochips?

15 posted on 01/06/2009 9:41:12 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: lmr

Since the issues appear to be: 1) The failure of the Amish to install smoke detectors, 2) the failure of the Amish to submit engineering blueprints of their structures, and 3) their failure to appropriately kiss the inspector’s behind, I’d have to say that the intrusive codes should be removed because they are, indeed, intrusive.


16 posted on 01/06/2009 9:46:32 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Bingo.


17 posted on 01/06/2009 9:51:11 PM PST by Head Honco (Because I wanted it.)
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To: Brucifer
Yeah, I've seen what a crock of left over buckwheat can do. Imagine one of those bearded, no moustache MF drivin' a wagonload and a couple pigs at ya' at 10 mph.

Scary.

Also makes me think about breakfast.

18 posted on 01/06/2009 9:51:22 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: kingu

The Amish are the most self-reliant and capable of any group that is in the US. They ask nothing from the government and raise enough food to help others. They don’t ask for and won’t accept welfare.

I say, let’s harass them until finally we make them move to another country... (that way America will really have turned into what most Americans came here to get away from...)


19 posted on 01/06/2009 9:52:27 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Buddy B
From one of the links:

Kay Davis further arranged for a private engineer that is a close friend of Davis to draw one set of plans that will meet state code for $3,000 and in return the engineer would sell those plans to the Swartz Amish for $300 for each building permit application.

Davis also orchestrated an unconstitutional Investigative Fee of $250 for every compliance order she issues for failure to comply with her directives.


What a quality 'public servant' this waste of carbon must be.
20 posted on 01/06/2009 10:10:19 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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