Posted on 01/06/2009 11:18:06 AM PST by neverdem
Because your 16 yr. old is not 21 .
My wife and I both taught in the People’s Republic of New Jersey for 33 and 35 years respectively . We both have firearm ID’s ,belong to the NRA and believe that competent, qualified teachers should be allowed to CCW in a school . If that was the case a nutcase would think twice about taking over a school because they would not all be “sheeple “
Read post 22. There are some of us out there that believe most teachers are pacifists and idiots when it comes to self defense .
I said “most teachers” not all teachers. Conservative teachers who support the NRA and love America must be very,very,very,very lonely and unpopular with most of their peers.
I even know a few myself.
Yes and Of Course.
2/3 of teachers here in Ak are dems; Alaska is a conservative place. I still don't think many teachers here would relish the responsibility. Wifey said too much a distraction and liability.
So how do you take the anti-teacher bias on FR, being a conservative teacher too? I've been on here 12 years, get so tired of the hate the teachers garbage, stop posting.
I usually tell them( teacher bashers ) that everybody has a choice in vocation they choose and evidently they are not happy with their choice . If they bad mouth teachers I tell them that if it is such an easy job, put in the college time and become one and quit complaining . .
BTW. My wife and I grew up in NE Pennsylvania in the coal country . Yeh, “plugs” Biden and Hildabeast territory . They are NOT representative of the majority of people in that area .
Ist day of deer season stillis a school holiday in that neck of the woods .
I long for the days when you could buy surplus military rifles out of a 55 gallon drum at the American Auto store and nobody flinched .
Have you seen the movie “ 30 Days of Night ?”(Barrow Alaska )
Hope we get another stimulus check. The last one went to Mr. Ruger .(buy American )
Have a place in the Pennsylvania Poconos where we can “open carry” also.
A lot of our teacher friends have a hard time believing we shoot and hunt in the “ backyard “ up there.
Happy New Year ! Gonna be interesting .
Toto, this is not Kansas.
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I got a good bit of ammo from years back; the clinton years.
We are where the Yukon comes into Ak from Canada, maybe 150 miles from arctic circle. It gets light enough to shoot a moose in the trees at 300 yards by 9am and gets dark around 3:30pm; darkest time of year. By april, it's light from 5 am until 10pm; month later, never gets dark. It's not pitch black in winter, kinda like an hour before dusk most of the day. By mid jan, you start seeing that big yellow creeping from behind the mnts. Enjoy the shooting.
In fact had the target been ME I much would have preferred to handle the situation force on force. I have never felt the need of a firearm in any school where I have worked. Some times the neighborhood can be hairy to get in and out of, but that's a separate issue. Still I would like the availability to have my ccw gun to strap on when I leave school.
The presence of a gun would certainly inflame the gang situations in the area and you'd find gang bravado flaring up to come and take the gun to assert their presence. I would say that's fine go ahead and line up except that I wouldn't want all the sheep (kids and faculty) in the line of fire, because that goes against the purpose of being a sheepdog.
I guess what I'm saying is that in my neck of the woods in south Florida, having a gun on a teacher's hip would be much more dangerous than not. But I wouldn't mind having the ability to keep one in my car OR in the alternative just in case of the Colombine scenario, having an access point in the school that is under lock and key as well as hidden that would hold one or more weapons capable of handling that situation, especially in a school where a portion of the faculty are former military.
Right after Colombine, at the school where I was a few years ago, WE ex-military folks had an after school "briefing" wherein we all agreed that a similar situation would not be allowed to occur while we were there. Some of the guys (there were four not including me) were ex special ops with combat experience who said they would be bringing their 1911A1s to work and left in their vehicles. I never did that or felt the need. We also agreed in the case of another Colombine as long as we could reasonably ascertain that the threat was kids on a rampage, we'd meet up at a predetermined rally point, form up and do a movement to contact in order to neutralize the threat. Then we did a careful walk thru of the entire school, identifying blind corners, choke points and areas not well lit. We cooked up a couple of contingency plans and went back to work. I venture to say THAT job site was one of the safest I've ever worked because of those individuals. But the sheep were totally useless, including the entire staff of administrators and also the schoolboard cop on duty. She was more like the stereotypical security guard then a real cop.
I can only speak for my area of the country but overall, school teachers and guns don't mix. Unfortunately, the bleating liberal sheep is pretty much the rampant species in classrooms all over the country, even in Texas or Idaho or Pennsylvania. The old sheep recruit even more "progressive" sheep to take their place in the classrooms. The cycle of helplessness and the promotion of the nanny state continues resolutely. Here endeth the lesson.
“Conservative teachers who support the NRA and love America must be very,very,very,very lonely and unpopular with most of their peers”.
Yes it seems that way a lot of the time. However, teachers are a far more conservative lot than you might imagine. The young ones get some funny ideas from time to time, but a 10 year teacher has shed most of the liberal nonsense forced on them in college.
As for guns, not just no, but HELL NO. I deal with way too many low level fights that would be become much more dangerous if I was armed.
Also we don’t need the government getting anymore bright ideas. We are already forcing kids into schools by gun point. The government might decide that all schools should have some armed teachers. I don’t want my school thought of as a community reeducation camp. Keep the teaching and security duties separate.
Some staff kicked around the idea of allowing select teachers to be armed with tazers. We came to the conclusion that it would be just too tempting. Do you have any idea the mouths on some of these middle school brats? Shooting them with my .45 never, hitting them with 10,000 volts might be worth it.
I used to daydream about having all my desks in the classroom hooked up to a series of cables running through a transformer coupled to a switch board at my desk. I could look at the class and mutter to myself: Hmmmmm little Johnny hasn't shut up all period and he swore at me last week.... With a simple movement a rocker switch can be thrown, sending electricity coursing thru the student desk that I choose. Little Johnny goes RIGID and convulses as drool drips down his chin. But he's quiet and respectful the rest of the week....such are the daydreams of a public school teacher.....Just fantasy folks!
In an era where any sort of punishment is condemned and you can lose your job for trying to keep order, some teachers dream fantasies of total control in an environment where the mere thought is a violation of school board policy.... And of course I come from a rather unique background for a teacher as a former active duty US Army Infantry Officer and then having worked as a State Probation & Parole Officer. For me the punks and the paperwork are merely unpleasant. But for the wide eyed liberals, the punks and the bureaucratic machine cause a trauma to their sensitive souls that often never goes away. You see THEM wandering the halls constantly with the "thousand yard" stare, drooling on occasion. These poor souls go into an inner city school and think of the wonderful opportunities they offer to the poor downtrodden miscreants. They say I'm gonna make the world a better place! The reality is brutal and a severe shock to their psyches from which many never recover.
Then there are the old grizzled veteran liberals that will still never change, they just grow more and more marxist. They seem to thrive in the inner city. The kids leave them alone and they live to try and torment the few conservatives, on staff. Case in point: One of these idiots yells to me across the faculty lunchroom many years ago asking if I was a member of a local MILITIA (back when those were popular liberal targets for gun control efforts). I holler right back: "NO! But it's not because I disagree with anything they say or believe, it's because they can't teach me anything NEW!" That nasty old biddy ran from the room screaming in horror. That was a good day for me, though and life goes on....
Respect starts at home.
Parents who have no respect for themselves, their family, their God, their Nation, their family name, can’t teach respect to their kids.
When a society starts to unwind and degenerate, its very hard to turn it around. Augustus Caesar tried 2,000 years ago. He failed.
The damage liberals have done in our society to turn everything into a case of moral or cultural relativism, instead of respecting the values and mores of our society as it once was and those of our forefathers, have rbought us to this end.
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