Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.
Posted on 01/05/2009 5:38:42 PM PST by rabscuttle385
The rise of the neoconservatives within the GOP has not only discredited the Grand Old Party but tarnished the image of conservatism.
The Republican party suffered an overwhelming electoral defeat this past November. The establishment media were all too quick to proclaim that conservatism is dead and we're now at the dawn of a liberal age. Peter Beinart, Senior Fellow for U.S. Foreign Policy for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), wrote in Time magazine that we are facing the dawn of a "new liberal order."
In making this proclamation, Beinart overlooks the fact that the public was not voting for President-elect Obama, but rather against Republicans like John McCain and George W. Bush. But what was it that Bush and the Republican Party have come to symbolize? Bush and McCain both stood for an activist foreign policy of globally spreading democracy, never-ending commitments of nation building, open borders at home, record deficit spending, circumventing the Constitution, expanding domestic welfare programs, and nationalizing the financial sector.
Conservative South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford wrote in a CNN commentary that "Republicans have campaigned on the conservative themes of lower taxes, less government and more freedom — they just haven't governed that way. America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it."
(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...
“Is the Republican party going to be one of fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, both or neither?”
The third leg must be added: National Security.
Reagan convinced the voters that he represented enough of ALL THREE legs, for them to select him twice and in sort of carryover mode, GHW Bush once and GW Bush twice.
Throughout those five terms clearly the GOP stood for better policies on ALL THREE legs, most of the time.
If the GOP wants back in the game, they simply have to advocate and support better policies on ALL THREE legs.
The wheels sort of fell off under GW Bush.
The GOP doesn’t need to rid itself of anybody; it needs to restate and simply support conservative policies.
Conservatives outside the GOP stand no chance, except patting each other on the back for attention. Third party votes are wasted votes, IMO.
I’m 25.
My younger brothers aren’t Obama-Kins either.
I see a lot of apathy, my brothers didn’t vote.
I’m sure there are manym but we face a permanent minority, pariah status in the media, scorn from acedemia and disdain from urban elites. I hope I’m wrong. I hope the midterm elections show Republicans taking back seats. I also hope libs realize their party is corrupt and dysfunctional, but I’m an optimist.
These re people who think that Buckley and NR was a CIA plot.
I suppose you are right.
Conservatism is only dead to republicans. The GOP is dead.
Yea, it's just too freakin' bad we didn't have an alternative choice.
Oh, we did?
Then why the H-E-double-toothpicks did we nominate McCain?
Is it because the neo-cons now run the party?
Uhh...yes, they do.
Oh, well, at least the insiders will have to start afresh with a new administration.
Oh, they really won't?
Oh, you mean it's the same damned people, just with a different letter after their name?
Uhh...yup.
I guess that's why we are so screwed, isn't it?
Yup again.
Actually, I think we all know what it means to be conservative, but the sad fact is that we (as a group) are also shamefully ignorant.
It is not at all difficult to find genuine, patriotic conservatives; this forum is full of them. And there are plenty more out there in general public land as well.
It's just that we are so darned ignorant that we will continue to nominate quasi-conservative globalists for public office, as if maybe THIS time, things will finally work out in our favor.
LOL!
The joke is on us AGAIN just like ol' Charlie Brown trusting Lucy AGAIN to hold the ball for him.
Actually, what they (the neo-cons and new party bosses) are bargaining for is a SEAT at the table of a Marxist government, rather than WORKING for a conservative, Constitutionalist government.
Now that's just CRAZY talk, sir.
Get real, and vote for the next John McCain!
Because they didn't see that there was a real choice?
I believe Fr. Neuhaus, cited on another thread, said this: "No cause is every completely lost because no cause is ever completely won."
That was my BB King impression.
“The third leg must be added: National Security.”
True, but what *IS* “national Security”?
Is it strong borders?
an effective anti missile system?
spreading democracy?
M.A.D.?
a permanent strategic foothold in the Middle East?
being the world’s policeman and sole superpower?
In other words -merely not being attacked on one end of a spectrum and inculcation and/or imposition our values of democracy and free enterprise any and everywhere (stipulating that a wider spread of ‘American Values’ would make us safer) on the other where should we be?
Do you have to agree with the goals of the Project for a New American Century, then, to be “conservative”, or is a simple commitment to securing our borders and maintaining creditable retaliatory capability against any attack enough?
I think it was easier to define National Security when we had the USSR.
Not that I pretend to have opinions any more valid than anyone else on here, just suggesting that the term may not mean the same thing to all self identified conservatives
I wholeheartedly agree about respecting the Constitution. The founders got it right and we deviate from their wisdom at our peril and loss.
But where does this put one on abortion or the definition of marriage?
And what are the constitutional grounds for nation building in Iraq? Having forces stationed in Korea? For imposing sanctions on other countries?
Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.
Show me how he's right.
Or show me how I might be wrong.
Considering that neo-cons are actually liberals, and their actions show me that they are promoting a one-world socialist government, and subverting our national sovreignty, show me even just a itty-bitty possibility that I might be wrong.
I'm right about that, and you know it.
We need a "Constitutional Restoration" movement in the GOP. Instead of fighting over an ever Leftward "middle", start moving the Nation back to the Right.
You people act as if the “neocons” were at fault for everything, but if true, then it was conservatives’ fault for putting them in power time and time again.
That was tried. It didn’t work.
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