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To: muawiyah
Err... the Vedas come from India, not from Persia and definitely not from Sumerian/Amorite Mesopotamia.

Besides, the Persian branch of indo-european religion didn't have the depth of vedic hinduism, even down to the beginnings of the Avestan. Yes, the Gathas of Zarathustra are deep, but that comes from a secondary, post-Vedic timeline

how can you say that the flying garudas is older than the Vedas? The Garuda is the name of Vishnu's flying eagle-horse. It's intrinsically linked to Hinduism


Izlam takes most of its core from Judaism, Arianism and pagan Arabic religions (Semitic religions) and very little from Indo-European religions or thoughts.

Even if you take a northern Amorite myth: the Enuma Ellish -- it doesn't talk about flying vehicles.
135 posted on 01/06/2009 8:26:09 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Cronos
Read more closely. Many of the geographical locations contained in the earliest Vedas are IN PERSIA, not INDIA.

I was watching the program INDIA on PBS last evening, and in the second section they got into the Vedas and reminded me of much of the scholarly anaysis that's gone into them. That was one of the items.

THere's still dispute about when they were written down. At the moment the common belief is they were converted from an oral tradition to writing entirely in India some time BC. At the same time, there's a less commonly held belief that they were rendered in writing, but kept secret as written documents, for several centuries.

This is roughly the same sort of idea frequently advanced with regards to the oldest works in the Bible. They were supposedly kept orally for many centuries until writing came along.

Turns out, of course, that writing was already in existence in the very place the original Vedic civilization and Hebrew culture came from ~~ Upper Mesopotamia!

I suspect both the Vedas and the background materials of the Pentatuch were maintained in written form at the earliest possible times ~ many centuries before the claim that they were written down.

I am aware that Indian scholars are presently in the throes of a rejection of the Aryans as having anything to do with Indian religious tradition and are willing to claim the Vedas are 100% an Indian production.

Fine, but other evidence points to foreign origin.

137 posted on 01/06/2009 8:35:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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