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Only full disclosure of toxic debts will get the West moving again
Telegraph ^ | 12/29/08 | Liam Halligan

Posted on 12/31/2008 6:13:38 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Only full disclosure of toxic debts will get the West moving again It has been a year of financial explosions.

By Liam Halligan

Last Updated: 5:44AM GMT 29 Dec 2008

Comments 24 | Comment on this article

The commercial pillars holding up the Western world - banking prudence and sound credit - have been smashed to smithereens

The "advanced" nations are now flirting with economic collapse. The emerging economies have also suffered "collateral damage" – the West's "sub-prime" debt bombs now threatening the stability of global commerce.

The developed world is on course to contract by 1.1pc during 2009. That will hurt. The emerging markets are also set to slow – their growth falling to 3.1pc – as China and India feel the impact of lower Western demand.

But 2010 could be even worse – unless policymakers can piece the global economy back together. And the prevailing policy response –soft bail-outs, ultra-low interest rates and unfettered government spending – not only won't work, but will compound this crisis.

So how should Western governments respond? How can we escape this credit crunch, and prevent it being repeated?

As the Bank of England Governor Mervyn King said last month, "getting the banks lending normally again . . . is more important than anything else". After piling into risky assets for years, the Western banks now refuse to lend to millions of credit-worthy firms and households. That's jammed the wheels of finance, making fears of recession self-fulfilling.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creditcrunch; insolvency; toxicdebt; transparency
From great reluctance of major banks from revealing their true size of toxic debt , one can help but infer that either they already know they are insolvent or they are pretty sure of it when everything in their balance sheet has been finally accounted for.
1 posted on 12/31/2008 6:13:39 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; bamahead; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/31/2008 6:14:05 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger...
Maybe just starting with hanging some CEO from a failed bank and an aggressive caning of the entire credit approval department would make me feel better.

pointsal


3 posted on 12/31/2008 6:20:20 PM PST by pointsal
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Social Security is a much worse scam than Madoff. Madoff was only in the billions. SS is in the trillions of $$.


4 posted on 12/31/2008 6:20:27 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: pointsal
OK. I will look for ropes. In the mean time, why don't you polish a few dozen nice-looking canes?:-)
5 posted on 12/31/2008 6:26:27 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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Obviously true. Transparency is the only solution. Good luck getting it. We can’t even get transparency out of the US Treasury Secretary’s outflow of tax payer moneys. If he won’t tell us anything, the insolvent banks are sure as hell not going to fess up.


6 posted on 12/31/2008 7:05:04 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China went through this a couple years ago, and may still be deep in the woods. Hard to tell, since they lie through their teeth.

There is no easy exit or shortcut, and the sooner our IvyLeague einsteins face this grim reality the sooner we may have a shot at recovery.

7 posted on 12/31/2008 7:09:29 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Hysterical nonsense. A 1% contraction is a mild recession, that is all. All this craven stupidity is just that.
8 posted on 12/31/2008 7:11:25 PM PST by JasonC
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The example I will use to illustrate the problem is one I am aware of in Palm Beach County FL. A Boca Raton development of 90 homes was constructed in late late 2006 (bad timing, to be sure) with 40 townhomes and 50 single family homes, built on a very tight scale (postage stamp sized lots). Prices were ranging from $499,000 to $745,000. About half of the units sold, pre-construction, with purchases making a $30k non-refundable deposit.

The housing boom in FL turned while the construction was in progress and most of the purchasers backed out, forfeiting their $30k deposit.

The project sold very slowly through 2007 with 47 of the 90 units selling. The developer held the remaining units and ultimately leased most of them out at monthly rents that cover, at most, 2/3rd of carrying costs.

One unit which illustrates the larger problem perfectly was sold and closed in February of 2007, and fell into foreclosure in early 2008. It was auctioned by court order in October 2008, and did not sell (i.e. it was "knocked back" to the bank and became an REO property).

At the time of purchase in 2007 the buyer borrowed the entire $650,000 purchase price (i.e., zero down). After foreclosure and assumption by the bank it has been listed with a Realtor at an asking price of $437,000. Depending on the ultimate selling price and the time on the market, the original mortgage lender will salvage, at most, $400,000 of the $650,000 loaned 2 years ago.

So, at least $250,000 has been lost and has to be reconciled somewhere. Remember this is one of 47 houses sold in the development. Where the loss ends up depends on what the original lender did with the loan (sold it with recourse? sold it without recourse?) - but somewhere, some entity is eating $250k.

Multiply this by thousands of homes across South Florida and tens of thousands across the rest of the United States and you have an irreconcilable quantum of loss. That's the essence of the problem, and in my view none of the Treasury efforts so far has gotten anywhere near resolving it.

 

9 posted on 12/31/2008 7:15:02 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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Those holders of toxic debts are all pretending, albeit nervously, that nothing is wrong with their balance sheet. However, they also know that other institutions would have the same problems.
Behind others’ facade of feigned confidence, they see black holes. So do Treasury and Fed.
10 posted on 12/31/2008 7:33:59 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: pointsal
Maybe just starting with hanging some CEO from a failed bank and an aggressive caning of the entire credit approval department would make me feel better.

A good old neck tie party with paulson the first guest to decorate a lamp pole on wall street, would do wonders.

11 posted on 12/31/2008 7:39:40 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: JasonC

There is no way this is a mild recession-no way. Anyone that believe that is delusional. This country is in big trouble.


12 posted on 12/31/2008 10:05:21 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Quite true...I don’t know how you resolve it. With unemployment increasing dramatically, you will have more foreclosures. It’s a vicious cycle.


13 posted on 12/31/2008 10:06:37 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Jim Rogers, that guy that is often on Fox is predicting food shortages because he is predicting that farmers won’t be able to get loans.

I read that and started seeking my financing now even though my LOC runs from March to March. I was thinking that maybe I can get my foot in the door before our local independent, home-owned band starts getting cold feet. I’m also applying at 2 banks, just in case, so I’ll at least have the wheels turning now.

The chemical company we deal with is offering 75K worth of credit on chemicals and fertilizers and it won’t be due until October so we told our salesman to get us a form.


14 posted on 12/31/2008 10:41:47 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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A prudent move. I also read about the possible credit problem in farming leading to the drop in food production.
15 posted on 01/01/2009 2:27:53 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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