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To: Ron Jeremy; autumnraine; LucyT; seekthetruth; stockpirate; Chief Engineer; BP2; Beckwith; unspun; ..
Good points, Ron, and duly noted. The fatc is, the SCOTUS needs to clarifgy what natural born citizen means in the context of the way it is used in the Constitution. What I and many others have done for the past three weeks is cite the words of the framers and men who authored the Constitutional amendments, words which make clear what is the meaning of 'not subject to foreign powers' and 'not owing allegiance to foreign powers' and 'not holding dividied loyalties' ... and the letter from John Jay, first Chief Justice of SCOTUS to George Washington regarding the reason for eligibility requirements int he Constitution. If you've missed those citations, someone will be glad to direct you to the documents.

This is an interesting and extremely important issue for the status of the Constitutional contract We The People hold with the federal authority. The SCOTUS should--at minimum--define what 'natural born citizen' means the way the framers used it in definiing Constitutional eligibility.

It may be that the SCOTUS will rule waht was the meaning and then cite the evolution of changes in meaning which make it--in their eyes--more important that the peopel ahev voted someone intot he office. This will of course not take into account that we the people were deceived by the candidate, manipulated with silnece from the fifth column enemedia, and railroaded into accepting a tacit change to the Constitution which did not happen by the prescribed means stated in the Constitutional contract. THAT is why I have been stating that this issue could abrogate the contract if not dealt with adequately.

There are agitprops fromt he obamanoid goon squad working FR dialy, on every BC thread, spinning, lying, seeking to obfuscate the fatcs, and ridiculing anyone bold enough to question or oppose the affirmativea ction fraud. Obama committed purhery on his application for the IL Bar, he posted a forgery as BC evidence and collected hundreds of millions of dollars using false qualifications and forged documents (the Selective Service document is also forged according to expert analysis).

The most immediate response to such allegations as Ive made is 'who's this expert that analysized documents' or 'not a single accusation has ever been upheld in a court of law' and variations on that obfuscation theme. It's spin, Ron, and it's being carried out because the most powerful job in the world is at stake to be controlled by powers that we cannot even fathom! And a man who has gamed one system and set of rules after another his whole life is now demanding that he be givena pass as an affirmative action racial quota candidate. He can shove his race up his nasty lying butt, it doesn't change the truth that he has committed purjery and posted forged documents in oder to scam the world into pormoting him to a position he lusts after but is probably not eligible for ... he just demands, as a racially positioned affirmative action candidate, to be allowedf to ascend. You can see the same attitude at work int he Blago/black senator issue braindead Black Panther Bobby Rush is playing. Obama is taking it to a much higher level of scam.

274 posted on 01/01/2009 12:41:55 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Meant to ping you, also, Sir.


275 posted on 01/01/2009 12:42:25 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: little jeremiah

Meant to ping you, also, sorry.


276 posted on 01/01/2009 12:43:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Chief Engineer

Meant to ping you, Sir.


284 posted on 01/01/2009 12:56:32 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks.. I would appreciate some links on what the founders intended. My research, which is limited compared to yours, suggested it was unclear, and if it went to SCOTUS they would probably say “well, the Congress of 1790 clarified it, and a number of them were Founders, so, that’s as close of a definition as we are going to get”.

But that was just my opinion.

Meanwhile, the anti-Obama crowd only hurts itself buying into talk radio scam-artists who say the evidence is going to arrive by 2nd class mail.


297 posted on 01/01/2009 1:36:35 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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