Posted on 12/31/2008 4:58:49 AM PST by gieriscm
Santa Ana, CA – SureFire, LLC manufactures gun silencers (suppressors) and other related products for use with firearms. SureFire filed a Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. 1125(a), false advertising claim at the Central District of California (Santa Ana Division) against Advanced Armament Corp. (“AAC”). The lawsuit arises out of a comparative advertisement by AAC which features cutaway views of two side-by-side silencers. The advertisements have allegedly been published in magazines such as Combat Hanguns, Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement, and Tactical Weapons.
The complaint alleges that although the pictured product is identified as a “Competitor Brand Silencer,” it is immediately and distinctively identifiable as a SureFire suppressor. Further, “the SureFire suppressor shown in the comparative advertisement has been subjected to extremely heavy use and has been modified to enhance the impression that its components have broken and/or separated.” Whereas “the [AAC] suppressor shown in the comparative advertisement has not been used.” The complaint asserts that the comparative advertisement creates the false impression that welds used on suppressors manufactured by ACC will not fatigue or crack, are stronger and more durable, and SureFire’s suppressors are unreliable and likely to fail during ordinary use. Moreover, the complaint takes exception to the test data which provide “independent verification” of the decibel reduction figures provided on the “independent website” silencertests.com. SureFire alleges that the website is owned by an individual that currently designs suppressors for defendant and is not truly independent. The case is titled SureFire, LLC v. Advanced Armament Corp., SACV 08-1405 DOC (C.D. Cal. 2008).
How do you know when a silencer is complaining? Cuz... it’s silent... and stuff...
This is going to be a touchy subject because BATF frowns upon the public having suppressors though its legal in most states.
Even talking about how to build one can get a person into trouble. There is however many forums that do openly discuss it like at www.ar15.com.
If it’s really, really quiet. Like a cold night, with the stars out, no wind. A silencer can sound like the end of the world.
First, there is no such thing as a ‘silencer’.
The proper term is ‘suppressor’.
Uber basic muffler technology, like as on your lawn mower. Heck if you only need a few shots, pvc and steel wool will do.
I have suppressors on my AR, and my 10/22. My MP5 has an integral suppressor. I am waiting for my Form 4 to come back on my .308 suppressor. The quietest of them all is the 10/22 (obviously). With subsonic rounds all you hear is the action cycling. In that application it can truly be called a silencer. The same suppressor on my Walther P22 is louder than the suppressed AR.
Hopefully, you don’t pack it too tight or you will burst your exhaust pipe (or gun barrel.
barbra ann
The suppressor on my P22 works great. Are you using sub-sonic .22 ammo? It makes a huge difference.
The proper term is ‘suppressor’.
As an 07/02 I am well aware of the terminology and laws wrt NFA devices. I merely copied and pasted the article as posted by the IP & Trademark law firm.
It was not meant as an assault on you, it was directed at the article.
Most firearm enthusiasts know more about firearms than police, military or BATFE agents.
You've obviously never seen my wife handle a class of rowdy 5th graders.
Yes, but it seems that the extra barrel length on the 10/22 attenuates quite a bit of the blast. What barrel length do you have on the P22? I only have the short barrel. Which subsonics are you using? Which suppressor?
Firearm minutia becomes pointless under non controlled situational demands.
i.e., you go with what you got, not what you want, which you might not know until that information is delivered under sever time constraints.
You say its legal in most states? I thought there was a federal law against silencers.
and here i thought that suppressors were typically class III stuff that had to be at least resembling a muzzle brake...
or is that true for full on flash hiders ???
so many 'laws', so little time...
I have the short barrel on my P22 and use the TAC 65 from Tactical Innovations. I shoot Remington SubSonic ammo.
There are sound suppressors and flash suppressors. Sound suppressors (colloquially known as silencers) are class III NFA stuff. Flash suppressors/hiders (similar to muzzle brakes), depending on where you live, are not controlled items.
Hmmm. I’m using Remingtons as well, I have an SWR Warlock suppressor.
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