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Barack and the bishops (the coming confrontation with the Catholic church)
White Mountain Independent ^ | Dec 30,2008 | Paul Kengor

Posted on 12/30/2008 5:00:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 12/30/2008 5:00:36 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Right, post-election.


2 posted on 12/30/2008 5:02:40 PM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is enough to make me want to ask all Catholic’s to take a month off from work or at least use it as a threat to keep this from becoming law. Can you imagine the drop in tax revenue if everyone who was pro life didn’t pay income tax for 30 days? I know that most likely it could never happen but I still think it is a good idea.


3 posted on 12/30/2008 5:09:48 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Steamburg

I am thrilled about this.
Think how much trouble Klintoon caused with don’t ask don’t tell.
this is going to consume an enormous amount of political capital. This leaves less to do more damaging things.


4 posted on 12/30/2008 5:16:55 PM PST by genghis
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To: SeekAndFind

My heart hurts for those innocent unborn that will fall under the hands of Obama.
He will be held responsible should he do this by the Lord.

My prayer is that Ob will bend to the pressure and leave things alone at the least.


5 posted on 12/30/2008 5:17:21 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: ConfidentConservative
My prayer is that Ob will bend to the pressure and leave things alone at the least.

Just out of curiosity, didn't the Diocese of the State of Illinois pressure Obama to vote FOR the Born Alive Babies Act ? ( the one he voted against ).
6 posted on 12/30/2008 5:29:33 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Every American would be complicit in paying for abortions-you would have no choice.

Looks like Obama and friends of Obama (FOO) are going to have a fight on their hands. It will give a whole new meaning to FOO fighters. (FOO fighters, the term, vis-a-vis Obama and company has been noted elsewhere on the 'Net, I think as mostly pro-FOO.)

7 posted on 12/30/2008 5:30:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no idea. I am not Catholic but I care about this issue a lot.

I do know that there are rouge Catholic that don’t know much about the heart of our Lord. They will some day though.


8 posted on 12/30/2008 5:43:38 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m so ashamed that my fellow Catholics helped elect Obama. We call them Cafeteria Catholics. They pick and choose what they believe in. They disgust me.


9 posted on 12/30/2008 5:54:53 PM PST by Marinefamilyx3
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To: SeekAndFind; Steamburg

A number of the bishops spoke out against Obama before the election. Unfortunately, I think a lot of them didn’t initially believe Bambi really had a chance and thus waited until too late for their statements to have the impact that they might have had if issued earlier. About 1/3 of the bishops issued severely negative statements on Obama, about 1/3 were negative but so vague that it wasn’t clear what they were talking about, and then the other 1/3 made no statement at all or a very ambiguous statement because they were actually voting for Obama themselves.

The bishops are very divided. Several bishops at the above conferenced told reporters that they thought about 50% of their brother bishops were Obama supporters, but I think, personally, that the number was lower and there were some rabid Bambi supporters and a bunch of go along to get along followers.

That said, I think things are going to move much faster than the bishops had anticipated, and they’d better be getting their positions together right now.

Obama bought out the Evangelicals by getting Rick Warren’s ego to sell out. I hope he doesn’t find anybody to sell out the Catholic Church.


10 posted on 12/30/2008 6:04:22 PM PST by livius
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To: ConfidentConservative
I have no idea. I am not Catholic but I care about this issue a lot.

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Just an educated observation...

All of the compassionate community of pro-life Christianity will be pretty noisy on this one....

11 posted on 12/30/2008 6:04:47 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: ConfidentConservative

Catholics with red cheeks?


12 posted on 12/30/2008 6:05:35 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Marinefamilyx3

It’s time for some serious excommunicating. I simply don’t understand why the bishops didn’t denounce BO for his stand on FOCA. They were too wishy washy. Basically Catholics were told they could vote for either Pres. candidate in good conscience.


13 posted on 12/30/2008 6:08:48 PM PST by spindoctor
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To: SeekAndFind
What's more, the bishops see that Protestants didn't vote the same way as Catholics; they went for McCain in an exact reversal, 54 to 46 percent, with evangelicals voting McCain by at least 2-to-1, and in some polls 3-to-1.

Wow! That's a major shame to the Catholics, even if you factor out the CINOs. We had quite a different result here in very Catholic Westmoreland County. Oba Mao didn't crack 42% in a county carried by Mondale in the 1984 Reagan landslide.

14 posted on 12/30/2008 6:11:04 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Marinefamilyx3

Add me to that shame. I know several “catholics” who voted for Obama. One of them was downright starry-eyed. He was from Johntown (Murtha country), of course.


15 posted on 12/30/2008 6:11:10 PM PST by sneakers
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To: livius
“I hope he doesn’t find anybody to sell out the Catholic Church.

They already did when they voted for him.

16 posted on 12/30/2008 6:12:43 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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I know a LOT of “catholics” that voted for 0. They had to know full well that this is what he wants. I doubt they would protest.


17 posted on 12/30/2008 6:21:46 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: SeekAndFind

Well isn’t it interesting that Cardinal George finally spoke out forcefully against the OBama FOCA?

Isn’t Cardinal George the bishop of Chicago who let’s Father Pleger who is a strong supporter of Obama do and say say whatever he pleases?

Wouldn’t it be nice to see the 13 Cardinals go to Capital Hill and confront the Senators and the Congressman and the President in the same manner when they were confronting these politicians on the Illegal Immigrants Amnesty Act?

Just call me a doubting Thomas because I believe that these Cardinals and Bishops will fold and do nothing when it comes to dealing with the FOCA.

These Bishops will fold like a House of Cards when the Messiah talks to them!

There are very few Bishops like Martino and Chaput.

Most of the bishops like Archbishop Gregory, Cardinal Mahoney, Cardinal O’Malley, et. al., are superb politicians and will bow to the will of the Messiah!


18 posted on 12/30/2008 6:23:01 PM PST by ethics
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s gotta be a split — those that follow Benedict and those that follow Obama. No real Catholic can pledge fealty to both. Catholics who support abortion, women priests, revolution theology, radical rituals, unfettered Ecumenisism, moral relativity and marginalization of the Eucharest should have been excised a long time ago. If they remain and are allowed to achieve power, Catholicism is dead. What would remain without them will be pure and strong — a bulwark against heresy and secularism.


19 posted on 12/30/2008 6:37:40 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: ethics
Unless the Pope is willing to defrock these church leaders for supporting Obama and excommunicate Catholics like Pelosi etc... the damage to the pro life movement will be irrevocable. Far too many Catholics have been lead to believe social justice trumps life as an issue. The virtual silence from the pulpit on the life issue has been deafening over the decades and accounts for the Catholic votes for the most pro abort candidate for POTUS. I would rather have a much smaller church that adheres to doctrine than a big tent. Let the pro choice pro gay pro euthanasia pro socialist crowd form their own church, watering down the faith will eventually destroy the whole church.
20 posted on 12/30/2008 6:55:13 PM PST by mimaw
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