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Domestic dispute ends in a deadly shooting
Houston Chronicle ^ | 20 December, 2008 | NA

Posted on 12/27/2008 5:23:50 AM PST by marktwain

A woman's 80-year-old grandfather fatally shot her estranged husband after he tried to take their two children from the grandparents' house, Conroe police said Saturday.

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According to police, Boudreaux's estranged wife and children have been living with her grandparents for about five months. When Boudreaux arrived Friday and tried to take the children, the grandfather intervened and ordered him to leave. Boudreaux refused, pushing the man out of the way, the statement said. The grandfather then allegedly retrieved a revolver from another room and placed it in his back pocket before again advising Boudreaux, who was aware the older man had a gun, to leave, police said.

As the two left the home out to the driveway, Boudreaux again pushed the older man and allegedly struck him in the chest area where he recently had a pacemaker inserted, police said. Fearing for his life, police said the older man then allegedly shot Boudreaux once, killing him.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Texas
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To: marktwain
police said the older man then allegedly shot Boudreaux once, killing him.

Nothing allegedly about a gunshot wound to the chest or head. Who let this dummy write this article?

121 posted on 12/27/2008 9:58:36 AM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: PalmettoMason
PalmettoMason posted:
“Multi-tasking”?

marktwain replies:
Yes. Lots to do to stay alive and out of jail.

Fortunately, most criminals are not expert assassins who wish to kill you at all costs. Every bit of training and thought on the subject can be helpful, but I still consider driving to work each day as the most dangerous activity (after breathing) that I routinely do.

Everyone in the world is under a death sentence. The only difference is when it *will* happen.

122 posted on 12/27/2008 10:00:37 AM PST by marktwain
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To: RGSpincich
Multiple gunshot wounds is usually an indication that there was more than than self-defense in the mind of the shooter.

What do you say to double taps?

123 posted on 12/27/2008 10:00:45 AM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: marktwain
XS>“You find cover first.”

That is very close to what I teach.

If no cover, find concealment.

124 posted on 12/27/2008 10:02:38 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

The person who shared it with me was Denver’s head Trainer


Thank you for your quick response. Do you think that Denver’s head Trainer would be willing to make an official statement to that effect, or that there would be another source, such as a lesson plan, that could be accessed?


125 posted on 12/27/2008 10:03:36 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Do you think that Denver’s head Trainer would be willing to make an official statement to that effect,

I doubt it.

I think it produces 50 to 75 round shootouts in Denver.

We in the NRA training teach reassess after each shot or two.

A more far-reaching reassessment while changing magazines.


126 posted on 12/27/2008 10:10:54 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: marktwain
There are exceptions to everything, and sometimes cover is not close enough to be an option, or there are other people that have to be protected that make the option of cover much less attractive.

I claim no expertise in this area. I have never been in an actual gunfight on the street, so I defer to the knowledge of you guys on here. (All of my experience is military).

My carry weapon is a Kimber .45. 7 in the mag, one in the chamber. Two spare mags.

IF the day ever comes that it is necessary for me to employ deadly force, I HOPE that I have the presence of mind to fire only enough rounds to stop the threat, and keep any remaining ammo for secondary threats (should there be any), thereby protecting myself from the immediate threat AND any potential legal problems.

That's my plan while sitting here in the safety and comfort of my dining room. However, I know from my combat experience that the FIRST thing to go out the window will be my "plan". LOL. I'm here hoping to gain insight from you guys who teach this stuff.

I also naturally gravitate to the "gun threads" because they are usually the most polite. We usually treat one another on the forums the way we would at the range. Sure, we disagree sometimes, but we try to do it without being disagreeable.

THAT'S what I like most about the FR shooting community.

127 posted on 12/27/2008 10:18:42 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Can't we all just get along? At least until I'm finished reloading?)
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To: marktwain

She stopped when he was down and she only hit him three times. She didn’t hit him ten times.

I don’t see where all this is going and why it’s such a problem for some people.

A responsible CCW holder should know with each shot if the person is a threat or not.


128 posted on 12/27/2008 10:26:35 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

So, you’ve never actually shot a weapon. Understood.


129 posted on 12/27/2008 10:32:17 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: XeniaSt

You posted my sentence. Did you not understand the first part? You should be behind cover or finding cover when reloading.

IDPA takes real incidences and repeats them for their stages. Don’t confuse the exercises on shooting ability which are used for some of their stages with real life.

I don’t think the NRA teaches someone to empty out their weapon before they really look at their target. I also can’t believe that of the Denver Police.

New York, I can believe. That would explain the unarmed guy getting hit 41 times.


130 posted on 12/27/2008 10:33:36 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: wastedyears

Is that in the military venacular? Or do you mean a controlled pair?


131 posted on 12/27/2008 10:34:35 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Judith Anne

Stop posting your insulting and childish rants to me.


132 posted on 12/27/2008 10:36:39 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2154802/posts?page=126#126


133 posted on 12/27/2008 10:43:33 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“A responsible CCW holder should know with each shot if the person is a threat or not.”


Reality is against you on this. If you wait to determine if the threat is neutralized after each shot, you could easily be killed before the first bullet even takes effect.

A deer shot through the heart with a high powered rifle can run 100 yards before falling over. A person is about deer sized, and personal handguns are usually far less powerful than deer rifles. Even if the threat is shot through the heart, they could easily have 10-15 seconds of active life remaining, enough time to empty a magazine, reload, and empty another.

It is simply prudent to keep on firing until the threat is down and no longer a threat.


134 posted on 12/27/2008 10:46:12 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Shooter 2.5
It is simply prudent to keep on firing until the threat is down and no longer a threat.

I see you have read and follow Massad Ayoob.

135 posted on 12/27/2008 10:54:06 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“A responsible CCW holder should know with each shot if the person is a threat or not.”


I may have misinterpreted this. If you meant that a responsible CCW holder should stop shooting when the attacker is no longer a threat, then I agree.

I have simply been making the point that people can shoot many times before the effect of the bullets on the target is known, and that they should not assume that their shots are having an effect until they see the effect.


136 posted on 12/27/2008 10:55:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Disgusted in Texas
Maybe the deceased Boudreaux was a deadbeat dad ,who wasn't supporting them and had no right to see his children.I have two ex sons-in-law. One is almost $12,000.00 behind in child support,the other is well over $20,000.00. In Ohio ,the moms and children suffer and the dads can send $50.00 a month and the judge smiles.

Uh-huh...you seem to have all the answers.

Consider that the man you are quick to call a 'deadbeat' was laid-off and had no income...or only enough income to keep himself off the street and having just enough food to eat.

Do you think the court gives a damn? NO! Their attitude is the same as that line from the movie Goodfellas when they described the obligation of the restaurant owner.

"...But now the guy's gotta come up with Paulie's money every week no matter what. Business bad? @$!# you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? @$!# you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? @$!# you, pay me."

137 posted on 12/27/2008 10:56:23 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: marktwain
It is simply prudent to keep on firing until the threat is down and no longer a threat.

The statement above is exactly what I have been saying in my multiple posts. You shoot until the threat is over. There are too many people here who don't know the law. They think you can keep shooting until you run out of ammo and then look at your target.

138 posted on 12/27/2008 10:57:37 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: XeniaSt
“I see you have read and follow Massad Ayoob.”

One of many. He makes some good points, and overstates some others. To use the same name dropping tactics of others, I have met him, and Jeff Cooper and others. No one has a lock on the truth. If you are confronted with multiple attackers, I think you should fire one shot at each and then reassess.

All of this is theory. In a real situation you have to adjust to facts on the ground. Often, just showing that you have a gun is enough. Sometimes one shot is enough. Sometimes it takes a lot more.

If someone is trying to kill me, I will not play by the code duello.

139 posted on 12/27/2008 11:00:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Shooter 2.5
Shooter 2.5 posted:

“It is simply prudent to keep on firing until the threat is down and no longer a threat.”

“The statement above is exactly what I have been saying in my multiple posts. You shoot until the threat is over. There are too many people here who don't know the law. They think you can keep shooting until you run out of ammo and then look at your target.”

marktwain replies:
Excellent. Everyone agrees. Consider that shooting until the threat is over, and shooting until you have emptied the gun are functionally equivalent in a great number of cases.

I do not think that anyone posting here is saying that they should execute wounded unconscious people on the ground.

However, a gun can be emptied so rapidly that in a great number of cases, a person will not be able to tell that the threat is neutralized until the gun is empty and you are taking time to reload, so functionally, we are all saying much the same thing.

140 posted on 12/27/2008 11:06:59 AM PST by marktwain
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