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Commentary: Is There a Natural Right to Same-Sex Marriage?
Catholic Online ^ | 12/24/08 | Fr. Juan R. Vélez

Posted on 12/23/2008 3:50:04 PM PST by tcg

The people of California, Arizona and Florida recently voted to amend their state constitutions to defend the age-old truth that marriage is the life-long union of a man and a woman with the object of mutual love and the raising of a family. Ever since, those in favor of recognition of same-sex marriage have complained that they have been deprived of their civil rights and denied equality. The recognition of same-sex partnerships with legal and financial benefits akin to marriage is not enough for them. They repeatedly lament the supposed loss of their civil rights and compare themselves to oppressed slaves.

Is there any truth in these claims?

None. In fact proponents of same-sex marriage are usurping the natural and civil right to marriage between a man and a woman. Unfortunately defenders of traditional marriage often have trouble defending the obvious precisely because it is self-evident and defies sound bites. Here I’d like to present a few simple reasons why defending the uniqueness and dignity of traditional marriage is not discriminatory and unfair...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bible; catholic; gayagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; no; prop8; readthebible; samesexmarriage
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Defenders of true marriage often have trouble defending the obvious precisely because it is self-evident and defies sound bites.
1 posted on 12/23/2008 3:50:05 PM PST by tcg
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To: tcg

It can be argued that anything that happens is natural.


2 posted on 12/23/2008 3:52:52 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: tcg

ONLY if you believe performing deviant acts is marriage.


3 posted on 12/23/2008 3:53:15 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: tcg
Great stuff, but wasted words. It doesn't matter how good an argument is -- to the folks who back homo marriage, it's all just hate speech. Maybe if God Himself came down to Earth and told us in person which sex acts are okay and which are not OH WAIT HE DID
4 posted on 12/23/2008 3:55:48 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: tcg

There’s a natural right to pretend anything you want...


5 posted on 12/23/2008 3:56:04 PM PST by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: tcg

Association is a right. Marriage, from the gov’t’s view is a legal thing. There’s no ‘right’ to marriage. To include it in the category of ‘rights’, diminishes actual rights - as does the false ‘right to healthcare, education, etc.’ If it weren’t for the fact that gov’t gives stuff to married people, this wouldn’t be an issue at all.


6 posted on 12/23/2008 4:00:34 PM PST by Kent C
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To: tcg

The only natural assumption that could be drawn from the idea of same sex marriage is that nature does not want this experiment to go forward and is cancelling the genetic mistake by denial of reproduction.


7 posted on 12/23/2008 4:01:38 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Leftist kids say the darndest things!)
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To: gorush

“It can be argued that anything that happens is natural.”

It can. And that is the basic liberal (secular humanist) view of the world.

The only exception to that is when white folks have un-liberal opinions. It happens. But it’s clearly not natural. So it is per se evil and cannot be tolerated.


8 posted on 12/23/2008 4:01:43 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: tcg

“No”


9 posted on 12/23/2008 4:07:41 PM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe)
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To: ModelBreaker

I believe you have slipped over the line from “natural” to “moral” in your final statements. That happens often and is to be expected as the mixture of the two is what separates humans from all other species...or at least that’s how it seems to me.


10 posted on 12/23/2008 4:07:49 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: tcg

No, there is not a natural right to un-natural acts.


11 posted on 12/23/2008 4:09:17 PM PST by yarddog
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To: WorkingClassFilth

“nature does not want this experiment to go forward and is cancelling the genetic mistake by denial of reproduction.”

There is almost no evidence that homosexuality is genetic. There are recent studies—most recently the large-scale Danish twins study—which strongly suggest it is not.

In another recent study, it turns out that the factor that is most predictive of whether a boy becomes gay is the fact of living in a highly-urbanized area at the age of 13-14. There’s a lot of evidence in animals that early sexual experiences “imprint” and become fixed as normal. If that same mechanism exists in humans, the finger points right at adult homosexual predators. That is consistent with the studies showing a very high percentage of adult homosexuals report early-teen sexual contact with an older man—whether consensual or not.

I used to live in West Hollywood (pink-city). I had close friends who were gay. I even sat at the deathbed of one dying of AIDS after his family had abandoned him. It is a sad, desperate, and unhappy lifestyle almost without exception.

I strongly believe most male homosexuality is an addiction triggered by early homosexual contact with an older man.


12 posted on 12/23/2008 4:11:28 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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Is There a Natural Right to Same-Sex Marriage?

Of course there is.

It's in the same category as marrying your livestock.

13 posted on 12/23/2008 4:15:05 PM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: tcg
If there is a natural right to same-sex marriage, whence does that right arise? The rights enshrined in our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence credit "Nature's God." But we've clearly seen that "nature's God" abhors homosexuality, and considers it an abominable practice. From that, we can logically conclude that the Creator is not the author of the "right" to homo marriage.

If He is not, who is? The State? But under our Constitution, the State does not CREATE rights, but simply safeguards those inherent in us at birth, i.e., those given us by our Creator.

Find me the author of the "right" to gay marriage and I'll be more inclined to support it. Otherwise, just admit that it's a desire for some, but it never rises to the level of a right.

14 posted on 12/23/2008 4:15:33 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: ModelBreaker

I don’t doubt what you say but I was only suggesting that if a ‘natural’ cause is taken into account (if somebody suggests it), then the only answer would be that nature want’s the mistake removed from the gene pool. Agreed, though, that it’s a sad and tragic behavior.


15 posted on 12/23/2008 4:16:44 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Leftist kids say the darndest things!)
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To: tcg

Is there a natural right to molesting children? After all, that’s just a preference. Many may not share it, but we need to be understanding and tolerant, don’t we?


16 posted on 12/23/2008 4:19:43 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: Popman
"It's in the same category as marrying your livestock."

Coming soon to neighborhoods everywhere.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
17 posted on 12/23/2008 4:20:16 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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Coming soon to neighborhoods everywhere.

Right after Shari law starts

18 posted on 12/23/2008 4:29:49 PM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: gorush
It can be argued that anything that happens is natural.

Like your dog humping the leg of your guests?

It may be perfectly natural that "dog humps leg of guests" but still it is not productive.

If the dog humps the leg of your guests, it means the dog just want to hump, with no real purpose in mind. It doesn't care if it's another like minded female, a male dog or some guy/gal from a totally different species. The dog just want to hump something, anything.

Correct, it may be "natural" in a warped sense, but it may not be acceptable by current social standards.

19 posted on 12/23/2008 4:30:33 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: ModelBreaker

I had a very close male friend who I grew up with. His parents pretty much ignored him. They fought a lot and when he was about 13 or 14, an older (probably about 30) homosexual guy took him in. The rest is history. He had two older brothers who were not homosexuals. No sisters.


20 posted on 12/23/2008 4:37:06 PM PST by nobama08
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