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1 posted on 12/22/2008 2:59:17 AM PST by Cindy
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one of my relatives went through SERE school years ago. To his day he doesn’t like camping.


3 posted on 12/22/2008 3:03:00 AM PST by kms61
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I’ll bet the art of SERE peaked at the USAF Academy, late Viet Nam time frame, around 1969-71, as a necessary preparation for the barbarity of the prisons in the north. But, I’ve not seen what they do now. Visiting active duty NCOs who administered SERE for newly trained pilots in the USAF were pretty amazed at what the USAFA Cadet SERE Cadre “got away with”. Of course, with females on campus since the 80s, it is probably all ancient history.


5 posted on 12/22/2008 3:14:42 AM PST by Check6
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My dad had to go through it when he was an officer in the US Sea Bee's. He had heard about it an in the class training they told him not to be a hero. He did not know enough to be important anyway so they thought he would be killed when they found out who he was.

So when they took him down to Pendleton on an unusually rainy night, he went out for about a day in the boonies and hide and evaded. When about 20 hours had gone by he was captured.
The Marines dressed up as “VC” put them into a barbwire enclosure and after a minor “interrogation” he gave up all they asked for... they let him go into a dry tent! He said an “VC” officer laughed and said he should given up sooner and not been so wet and cold for a day. They let him sleep and relax for the next day or so until the weekend was over.

So goes SERE training as and officer in a construction battalion. He said managing building construction was obviously not near as important as a pilot.

7 posted on 12/22/2008 3:22:33 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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What a great article! Bookmarked. Thanks, Cindy!


8 posted on 12/22/2008 3:25:19 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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Great article!


10 posted on 12/22/2008 3:42:07 AM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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Very revealing article, thanks.

The brutality of current wars over and against wars in the past (before Korea/Viet Nam) is astounding. Man’s inhumanity to man by inhuman humans.

With Women in the Field . . . I for one do not believe they need to be there . . . it’s just too horrible to envision the torture al Qaeda or Taliban would do to a captured woman.


13 posted on 12/22/2008 4:28:30 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate.)
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Been there...done that...and yes, I have the tshirt....
14 posted on 12/22/2008 4:37:13 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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I went through SERE in 1967. All Navy Aircrew had to complete SERE before they went to Vietnam.

I don’t know how SERE operates today but back then they would lay hands on you with hostile intentions.

I was a young man back then and I remember thinking that every male in the USA should be forced to spend two weeks at SERE.

Merry Christmas everyone and have a Happy and Healthy New Year.


18 posted on 12/22/2008 4:53:45 AM PST by airdalechief
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I went through the 9th Division SERE course in 1977. The MI company was the cadre. One of the guest instructors had been a prisoner of the Japanese. I was the senior POW - not fun but very instructive.


20 posted on 12/22/2008 4:57:16 AM PST by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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Ahem, it is "Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape" School and they do not break fingers contrary to what the article says. Now some may sustain injuries during the training and yes there is always somebody that thinks that they can beat Warner Springs (go figure a Navy base in the mountains of Ca.).

Let me tell you as someone who has seen both sides of the training there is no more better qualified instructors than SERE.
They go through basic instructor class, then they go through SERE training (Just because you sign up to be an instructor, doesn't mean it is automatic) if you get through (and the instructors know who you are, just so you can get the full "appreciation of the training)and yes I was "waterboarded" you may evade for a while but everyone will get caught.
The training will last only for as long as it needs to, period.

As far as Seals taking over the camp, not likely unless they want to repeat the training (after they are busted), sure they get scoop from previous classes but the training shall we say is "fluid"

The best thing about SERE as a student is leaving and surviving with honor, the best thing about SERE as an instructor is doing some very worthwhile training to include waterboarding some arrogant prick, or someone who doesn't do what their are trained to do. but the best think is getting paid per-diem to beat people and a Kathy breakfast (This was a few years ago)

21 posted on 12/22/2008 5:06:20 AM PST by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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Been there and done that, but as I recall, anyone who went through it signed a document stating that they acknowledge that it is classified and that they are not at liberty to discuss the experience or any of the details relating to SERE.


22 posted on 12/22/2008 5:06:51 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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I knew a Chief who was a SERE Instructor for four years. He said there was nothing like getting up at 4 AM, taking an ice cold shower, then beating the crap out of some JO first thing in the morning...


23 posted on 12/22/2008 5:43:39 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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Reading the replies, it seems to me that many have missed the point of the article. The NFO HAD to go through the SERE program as part of the training; not taking anything away from him mind you. His Marine friend WANTED to go through the program (along with hundreds/thousands of others) voluntarily. He didn't want to do it out of some macho wish, he wanted to do it as a matter of sacrifice for the men he would be leading into battle. I am sure the NFO felt the same as his Marine buddy.

The point of the article is not about how hard SERE is (it is one of the hardest training course ANY military member around the world can undertake). The point of the article is that our military is chocked full of people that would willingly put themselves in harms way, for the love of their fellow soldiers.

They deserve respect and honor that the liberals in this country have not given them. Even our elected leaders figuratively spit on them with their rhetoric pandering to the rabid anti-military crowd.

24 posted on 12/22/2008 6:19:07 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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The first rule of SERE training is that there is no SERE training. ;)


25 posted on 12/22/2008 7:49:18 AM PST by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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I went thru Sere in 1970, and the country was not as near as PC as today. Being chased for 2 or 3 days (I lost track of time) was not so bad, being caught sucked bad.
27 posted on 12/22/2008 11:23:23 AM PST by Reflex ((same socialist crapola different day))
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SERE Grad; Winter 75, Warner Springs, CA.

While in line awaiting waterboard treatment an Officer-Type grabbed me from behind and I flipped him over my shoulder and pinned him momentarily. Guess who went to the head of the line? Oh yeah, if you ever get waterboarded remember it is OK to breath in the water and pass out.

28 posted on 12/22/2008 11:47:45 AM PST by Broker (ripped.)
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For later.


40 posted on 12/22/2008 2:13:20 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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I hate when people do not capitalize the word Marine. I also hate that the military is letting journalists have access to places like this.

That said, my husband attended SERE school. I know a lot of Marines and naval Officers who attended as well.


45 posted on 12/22/2008 2:18:31 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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bump


48 posted on 12/22/2008 2:20:50 PM PST by VOA
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Thank you for posting this, Cindy.

Please, everyone, read the whole thing.


51 posted on 12/22/2008 2:23:54 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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