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Preparing for Mumbai - In America
Buckeye Firearms Association ^ | 18 December, 2008 | By Gabe Suarez

Posted on 12/19/2008 3:08:08 PM PST by marktwain

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To: Ramius

True enough but I suppose that I would rather cross that bridge AFTER engaging the bad guy. I truly go through this scenario in my head whenever I am in the city. My wife thinks I am goofy but I always take the seat facing the entrance, do a full 360 degree scan while walking through the mall or other big public space, keep my jacket unzipped for access, etc. I want to be alert and aware. There is a great essay about the Sheep, the wolves and the Sheep Dogs that you should read if you have not yet done so. My oldest son (Cougar soon to be a LEO) and I have decided that we are sheep dogs. Peaceful, law abiding yet with the capacity to do violence to save the sheep. This is the world we live in now.


21 posted on 12/19/2008 3:59:44 PM PST by Honor above all (I'm only here to help.)
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To: marktwain

Isn’t it wonderful that we can have a thread like this on a public forum?

I pray we’ll still be able to do this four years from now.


22 posted on 12/19/2008 4:02:19 PM PST by upchuck (Get ready for 2009: Pray; Raise/conserve cash; Pay your debts; Pray; Stockpile; Buy ammo; Pray)
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To: omega4179
a .22 is not a good manstopper at all id stick to 9mm and .38 special or .32 h&r magnum.

So, better to have five shots of .38 than nine shots of .22?


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23 posted on 12/19/2008 4:06:02 PM PST by JCG
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To: marktwain
I would carry the 5 shot .38, myself.

Gotcha.


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24 posted on 12/19/2008 4:08:22 PM PST by JCG
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To: marktwain

Hmmm, I think I could make a body shot at 100 yds. I don’t miss much at 50 feet though.

This is making me rethink my training a little bit. I kind of like the idea of using a pistol as a quick and dirty sniper rifle. I guess I will go spend some time shooting a pistol at a hundred yds to see if it is feasible for me.

My gut is telling me that I would be better off carrying a rifle in my vehicle, but that would probably be way too slow.


25 posted on 12/19/2008 4:09:22 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: marktwain

AMERICA IS ARMING ITSELF BECAUSE IT CAN’T COUNT ON THE FECKLESS, SPINELESS SO CALLED “I HAVE YOUR BACK LEADERS “ MOST OF YOU VOTED FOR!


26 posted on 12/19/2008 4:09:59 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Is it time for my medication, reality is starting to set in.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
A whole bunch of handguns in various calibers at 65-75 yards at claybirds sitting on a dirt bank.

Used to be able to hit clays that far with a Ruger Security Six. (Not off hand obviously)

27 posted on 12/19/2008 4:30:07 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: marktwain

The only good that would come of an American Mumbai - God forbid - would be the end of the Democrat party.


28 posted on 12/19/2008 4:31:42 PM PST by Scarchin (Withholding judgement)
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To: Honor above all

Regarding you and your “Cougar”(?) son, your wife may be right. Goofy. Hope you self-declared “sheep dogs” aren’t too much like the bored, volunteer-fireman arsonists we occasionally have trouble with ‘round here. I’ll take care of myself, thank you very much. Won’t be needing any help from your quivering trigger finger.


29 posted on 12/19/2008 4:36:41 PM PST by flowerplough ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: upchuck

“I pray we’ll still be able to do this four years from now.”

Things tell me we will be lucky if we make it that far in 2 years.


30 posted on 12/19/2008 4:36:48 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: JCG

Seriously yes. if you practice with squeezing the trigger the 5 shots of .38 will have you better off.


31 posted on 12/19/2008 4:36:57 PM PST by omega4179 (Ramos and Compean)
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To: omega4179
Seriously yes. if you practice with squeezing the trigger the 5 shots of .38 will have you better off.

Thanks for the feedback.


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32 posted on 12/19/2008 4:38:41 PM PST by JCG
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To: marktwain

When the massacre was first reported, I read many posts giving India’s relatively disarmed nature (as compared to the United States) as a factor in:

1. Why it occurred.
2. Why the villains were so successful.

Given that, I think it is defeatist to marginalize the benefit of honest, well-trained folks in that situation. There’s a reason why a soft target is chosen. Even if each sentiment about handguns vs. rifles is correct, these guys didn’t pick a high-risk location, didn’t plan to get rounds returned them. If nothing else, it would put them off their plan. At any rate, if I was stuck in a location like that, I’d want to be armed. That’s the bottom line. You can’t always pick your battles, and some will be pretty miserable. The fellows in 1776 thought “it” worth the effort, not that it would be easy. If you can take a rifleman out, his weapon might become yours. If you are unarmed, it won’t be. The problem of how to distinguish yourself from the bad guys remains, but that is not a reason to cower and wait to be killed. Anyway, no one chose to be assaulted there.

Sorry for segueing onto the War of Independence, but if oppression comes, as it has and will again, it is worth the fight even if the odds are long. I’m not saying “let’s be stupid about it”, only that it is worth the fight.


33 posted on 12/19/2008 4:42:57 PM PST by blackd77
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To: omega4179
The New .327 Federal Magnum in Ruger’s SP101 Compact Six-Shot Revolver

A little video with the article.

34 posted on 12/19/2008 4:45:32 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: redgolum
A Kel-Tec? You're kidding... right?

Sorry, I carry a stainless steel Sig Sauer P220ST .45 auto.


35 posted on 12/19/2008 4:46:13 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: marktwain

In this area I have access to a M1A (.308) that measures less than 31” long with the folding stock. That along with several 20 rd magazines provides a fair measure of capability. Many of the LEOs in this area have similar armament (semi-auto.308 rifles) in their vehicles.


36 posted on 12/19/2008 4:48:54 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: marktwain; All
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37 posted on 12/19/2008 4:49:12 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: JCG

Whatta idiot.
My 2 1/2 S&W .357 keeps ALL 6 shots in the black at 100 yards using Winchester Silvertips (145gr). Just try your carry piece and you will be surprised how well it does.
The Mumbai baddies worked in PAIRS. I would find it VERY strange iffen I couldn’t get a couple of them in all the noise and confusion.
If I had mine, of course.
The best defense here is an armed citizenry (GASP!)


38 posted on 12/19/2008 4:49:34 PM PST by Flintlock
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To: marktwain

ROTFLMAO

Urban RAMBO wet dream - there I was, up to my knees in spent brass..... SOF magazine warriors.....

If you are in the middle of a shooting war GTFOTD (urr, get outta DOdge) should be your first choice, and if with family, the only choice.

If you HAVE to shoot to get an exit path, fine.

Sorry, I stay awake and try like the dickins to avoid any situation that would require me to shoot anyone. I even carry a scanner most of the time (IC-Q7A)

I have to consider if the area we will visit even requires a second magazine.

But - I pratice, my family pratices as a family (you know, fun day(s) at the range and all that) and I have no doubt that any adult in the family is ready and able to end a situation with deadly force.

But only if we have been forced into a corner with no other options. Killing someone should be a last choice option.

(OK, flame suit on)


39 posted on 12/19/2008 5:17:18 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: Cobra64

That’ll knock something down all right but you can only fire it once with each hand.


40 posted on 12/19/2008 5:41:04 PM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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