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To: lacrew

You are forgetting that Ann was back in WA state before the end of August, 1961 staying with a friend of her mother and didn’t return to HI until early 1963.


50 posted on 12/16/2008 9:27:03 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer

Are you saying Ann left Barack in Hawaii and came to WA State only a couple months after he was born?

I am fully convinced that at best Barack was a product of casual sex or possibly rape. Abortion was illegal and dangerous.

Ya know, back then black/white relationships were very much frowned upon. This whole thing just smells. Everyone seems to be viewing that whole situation as if it happened in today’s environment, but it didn’t. Then this whole scenario would have been seen in an entirely different light. An unwed mother was a scandal, an unwed mother with a black child....the lot of them would have been ostercized.


59 posted on 12/16/2008 10:52:13 PM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: Chief Engineer

“You are forgetting that Ann was back in WA state before the end of August, 1961 staying with a friend of her mother and didn’t return to HI until early 1963.”

I understand...I’m just pointing out that if a title search doesn’t show that she ever owned a house at the birth announcement address, it doesn’t prove anything - because she could have lived there without owning it. Now, the search might come up with the owner at the time, who may still be alive to answer questions.


81 posted on 12/17/2008 7:28:29 AM PST by lacrew (Yup, they're girded!)
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To: Chief Engineer
You are forgetting that Ann was back in WA state before the end of August, 1961 staying with a friend of her mother and didn’t return to HI until early 1963.

I don't think there is any record that puts her staying with a friend of her mother in August, 1961.

She arrived at Mercer Island to stay with a high school classmate (Susan Blake) of her's (Stanley Ann's) prior to the time Ann had learned to change diapers which I believe fixes the visit on August 5 or 6. Observe that the birth on August 4 could well have occurred on August 3 US time and date.

There are also enrollment records (for Stanley at the University of Washington for fall quarter, 1961, however fall quarter in 1961 started in late September (or the first of October).

The visit with Susan Blake was a stopover on a trip by S. Ann somewhere else--Ms. Blake says to visit Obama Sr. at Harvard; however Obama Sr. didn't get to Harvard until one year later.

That's the record of which I am aware--and I think this element is very important.

My speculative analysis of what happened is that she went to Kenya to marry Obama Sr. in February 1961 because marriage in Hawaii would have been criminal bigamy. Obama's personal record places her in Kenya within 72 hours of when he was born; he says she came back to Hawaii. How did she do that and when? BOAC would not have let her on the airplane at that late date in her pregnancy and there is testimony from the two missionaries that is what happened.

Routing to the US from Kenya and East Africa was through Glaskow Scotland to Vancouver BC--I believe she went from Vancouver to Susan Blake's home on Mercer Island; then to Hawaii to file a resident's birth affidavit on August 8.

95 posted on 12/17/2008 11:29:05 AM PST by David (...)
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