Posted on 12/16/2008 4:58:35 PM PST by Man50D
The most compelling messages to elected officials are those in your own words, not just some cookie-cutter form letter. So please take a moment to craft a personal note about the FairTax. And remember, regardless of whomever you voted for in the general election, we all need to make Mr. Obama into a FairTax supporter, so please be courteous in your message about the FairTax.
In terms of talking points about how the FairTax can save our economy, you can view our detailed talking points or look below for some key points to highlight:
Rescue the homeowner and you rescue the economy The FairTax will end the harmful practice of withholding taxes from paychecks, and millions of Americans will see a huge boost in their take home pay--enough to save their homes and pay mortgage bills.
A $10 trillion dollar stimulus program funded with private investments Economists say the FairTax will attract literally trillions of dollars into our economy from offshore. That means new jobs right here in America (a point I know you readily appreciate), higher wages and a stock market that goes up instead of down.
Bring Back the "Made in America" Label The FairTax ends the retail price disadvantage American producers suffer under the income tax system. The income tax system adds up to 20% to the price of American products and that chases our manufacturing and service industries offshore. The FairTax gives American companies--and jobs--a fair chance.
Our economy works when wage earners prosper The FairTax makes our economy works again and restores consumer confidence by putting more money in wage earners' pockets. It attacks the problem at the base of the pyramid where average people live--not at the pinnacle. It ends the tax disincentives to upward mobility, savings, investment and capital formation.
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I find it interesting that you [a vehement pro-income taxer] would point this out for us.
The income tax includes payroll taxes - the regressive tax that hits poorer people hardest. You ain't right.
You know as well as I do that according to Boortz, the guy who wrote the FairTax bible, exactly what IS all your money has yet to be defined.
All that relates to the Hamilton quote exactly how?
Oh, they still pay the payroll tax, its just rolled into the FairTax.
She is exactly right, the FT would tax again everything that is already taxed, or includes a fee from any other jurisdiction.
It is the income tax that taxes ALL other taxes [including excise] again.
All sales taxes - state, local, etc are paid with after tax dollars... that’s tax on tax.
So what is it you object to? If you object to the taxing of taxes, it is the income tax that is by far worse!
Thanks..your patience is appreciated and admired. i wouldn’t have been that kind.
while you may be right, we need to keep the Fair Tax moving and educate people...we just can’t start with a defeatist attitude. THAT is certain failure.
Uh, I believe YOU started the insults that have no place in a rational, honest and reasoned discussion.
go away with your negativity. It does not help Freeper.
i agree with you. educate people and the Fair Tax and many other things have a chance!
the main goal of conservatives should be to positively and enthusiastically begin educating people and work hard for school vouchers, etc. To just bash ignorant people doesn’t change them.
By your comments it is obvious that you two haven’t even studied the Fair Tax before spouting off on this thread. Your comments show you don’t know the basics of this Fair Tax...your crticisms have already been answered a hundred times.
Hey, forget even responding to xcamel, he just came on to cause distracting trouble. He obviously knows nothing about the Fair Tax.
it is so annoying when there is a topic for good discussion and Maroons just make irrelevant and fomenting comments that have nothing to do with the issue.
Well, he’s good for being the thread police. He makes sure to belittle anyone and everyone for posting mistakes.
And you’re right- he is here to distract. He is the poster who is quoted “there is nothing wrong with an income tax”. Really.
He will bump nrst threads continually - giving informed posters a chance to put more information out there :)
Useful idiot.
EX hippie- lucy is educated on the nrst and is an activist opposed to it.
She will also distract as her main MO - but she does know the nrst. Remaining focused on the nrst is her bane.
you are right, the current tax code encourages social engineering.
Wow. Imagine if we required the Government not spend money it did not have?
It is not so much how the people pay their bills, but the way the Government is incurring debt far beyond our ability to pay.
Until then, we will keep trying to cover the blank checks we have given them, and they are on a spending spree.
It makes no difference, divert the Amazon at flood stage into the bucket, you will never fill it if there is no bottom in it.
Have you ever bought anything in Canada? Add in the GST, PST, and VAT, and the price nearly doubles.
Government was intended to be a servant, not a life-theratening parasite. It needs to be put back in the role of servant.
As for the 'pre-bate' taking the 'sting' out of poverty level living, phooey.
If you are going to tax people at all levels, might as well tick off the ones who don't have/won't get a job, they are the ones who will have the time to raise hell with the government while the rest of us are working like dogs to feed the kids and pay the taxes on it.
How do you think we ended up with so many squeaky wheels getting greased on the backs of productive people in the first place?
If this isn't a Socialist program, then I challenge you to do away with anything which appears to be a 'gimmie'.
People aren't going to pay as much attention to the tax as the check from 'Unca Suga' every month, and you know it.
Additionally, I still maintain that those under this system who have to replace items stolen or deatroyed will have their misfortune compounded by having to pay additional taxes beyond what the average person would, with no real options to do otherwise.
And that those who require expensive but necessary medical treatment to stay alive will have that misfortune equally compounded by having to pay taxes on those treatments far and above the "average poverty level" of medical care, (whatever that is).
Why whatever that is?
The really poor don't pay for their medical care.
The rest of us do.
So calculate the cost of publicly paid for medicine to the recipient living in public housing, getting food stamps, fuel assistance, etc.
WHAT COST?
For the really poor in this country, those on the dole, the average cost of necessities is pretty low, and if you issue a check for the taxes on that amount, it isn't going to cover squat.
Is that the 'average' your check will be based on in the year when your house burns down, your car is stolen, and your wife has to go in for chemo and radiation after cancer surgery?
Under the current tax laws, someone suffering any or all of those misfortunes can take deductions: their tax load is mitigated in the event of misfortune.
Under the fair tax, it is amplified.
I am well aware that " Life ain't fair", but no matter how you slice the fair tax under those circumstances, it isn't "fair" either.
I cannot support any tax system which would compound the miseries of those among us who suffer extraordinary misfortune as the 'fair' tax would.
Those who seem to think this is not the case seem to have no idea of the costs of replacing a household's goods from the ground up, the losses involved in the theft of a vehicle, nor the expense (and lost income) which may be associated with a devastating medical condition such as cancer.
They would compound the devastation inherent in such events with another 30% (twenty three, whatever the government decides the number will be this month) tacked onto the top.
The necessities, food, primary residence, medical care, and energy should not be taxed, nor should any checks be issued to mitigate taxes on the remainder.
Then those suffering extraordinary losses would not be penalized under the system for those things they need to simply stay alive.
How about the tomatoes you trade the neighbor for fresh eggs? How is the government going to tax that? Send them three out of ten?
Consider this. The means are Constitutionally present to raise enough to satisfy the budget and pay down debt. It has been done, but you have to look a ways back.
There was no income tax, either.
The salient differences are that the government of the day was tremendously more limited in scope. We were not trying to be policeman to the world, but busy building a nation--ours; something which we will get to do again as soon as the idiots are done tearing it down.
waaaaaaaaaaaay too long.
sorry.
How is that a tax on a tax?
The FairTax does not eliminate state and local sales taxes, but it does do away with the ability to deduct them from federal taxes.
Funny, I don't recall you posting to FairTax threads, you must be new to the debate.
Today’s sales taxes are paid with after tax dollars. Hence a $10 item with $1.14 in sales tax requires that i earn [assuming a 21% effective total income tax rate] $12.66 for the item AND an additional $1.44 to pay the sales tax.
The sales tax [$1.14] has tax of .30 on it. That’s tax on tax. Get it now? That’s what so many ignoramouses have used as an excuse to reject the nrst. But the nrst does NOT tax sales taxes. Only the income tax does that.
To deduct sales tax, one must itemize. The number of filers that itemizes is about 1 in 4. Of the 1 of 4 that itemize, about 1 in 10 claim sales taxes. There are about 39 out of 40 filers who are paying tax on tax - giving the gov’t even more money to spend. Aren’t you for giving them less?
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