Posted on 12/16/2008 12:01:59 PM PST by tomymind
This is past insanity. Franken should be charged $10,000 for each challenge that obviously isn’t worth challenging. I still can’t figure out what was worth challenging on Goodview 2, ballot 2. No mark at all on Franken; Coleman clearly marked. The person wrote in an obscenity for his mayoral choice. Other than that, I don’t see the problem.
I’m surprised that the idiot who voted for Obama, Nader AND Barr didn’t include McKinney. Obama and Nader rated two marks each. Poor Barr, only got one scribbled mark. However, in this one, Franken is clearly and solely marked in the senate section. I would be suspicious as to why the voter didn’t turn this botched one in and start over. Or was it and it wasn’t destroyed as it should’ve been?
Another FReeper (flattorney) makes the truthful case why we’re in this situation - MN SOS is a Commie in the bag for 0
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148122/posts
But this is pretty pathetic, calling this an overvote, unless I'm missing something.
That did it.
Although the statute seems to require intent:
Subd. 13.Identifying ballot.If a ballot is marked by distinguishing characteristics in a manner making it evident that the voter intended to identify the ballot, the entire ballot is defective.The Star-Tribune is reporting...
Do not count these votes if ...The latter doesn't say "intent to identify" is required. I don't know if the Star-Tribune is twisting the statute, or are reporting how the Canvassing Board is interpreting the statute.
[...]
A voter places an identifying mark on the ballot, such as writing their initials or making a statement of some kind. (That does not include election judges’ initials.)
I wonder if these bozos realize their stunt got their ballot pulled and bogged the process down.
It's good that they are not letting those frivolous challenges hold things up now, though...as long as intent on candidate is clear and there's no intent to identify a ballot when a mark (such as "Mickey Mouse") is made, then the ballot shouldn't be challenged on those grounds.
Yes, that is pathetic to call that an overvote. A tiny dot on the edge of Franken’s “hole” and a fully filled in blackness in Coleman’s. If these votes are actually not being counted for stuff like this, then something’s really wrong. There’s absolutely no doubt who that voter was voting for. I assume the counting machine counted this ballot correctly, but when they were hand counted it was pulled. If so, this is outrageous!
They actually have a pretty cool feature that (if you register) allows you to see all 6000+ ballots and vote on them yourself. They’re pooling the results of other people’s votes to come up with their own tally. I made it through about 130. They’d feed you random ballots and you could vote Coleman, Franken, Other, Under, Over, etc.
Hardly Scientific. But when I was going through them at about 3 this afternoon, the conglomeration of votes from the masses had Franken winning by 40.
Coleman up by 267 (175 ballots reviewed) now. The more they
count and recount, the better Coleman does. Now what does a
Franken do?? Just declare himself the Senator? It could happen!
Oops...up 269...my bad!
The law be damned. Political results are all Dems care about.
175 reviewed? Of 6000+?
This will take forever.
You’re surprised? They’re gonna keep counting until Franken “wins”.
This is an important seat for the demrats even though it will not give them the filibuster proof situation they seek. If they get Franken in, it is one less Pubbie they must destroy to ultimately achieve a supermajority.
I think they need to oust, one way or the other, five or six Pubbies from Senate to achieve a supermajority. Anyone know what the actual number is?
Senate mix is not really the subject of this thread.
Coleman by 312 presently as challenged ballots are reviewed.
Coleman
+321
Ballots reviewed:306
This is a slow and painful process. Somehow no matter what new game Franken tries to add into the mix though, Coleman still advances.
My gut is saying that Coleman and his election expert lawyer are doing everything correct to stand up to Franken’s assault on the election.
So I’m hoping that this process will result in an even more painful loss for Franken.
What would be nice to have is a feel for the Coleman people’s estimate of what challenges are resolving in which direction officially vs their projections. Meaning, is he gaining or lose with respect to expectations.
Minnesota is clearly making a bid to displace Venezuela for the title of “Most Corrupt/Most Inept Election Officials!”
Where’s Jimmy Carter when you REALLY need him - for a little comic relief?
Current margin:
Coleman
+328
Ballots reviewed:339
This is rich! As more ballots are reviewed, Coleman’s lead GROWS!!!
Riiiiight...
As if anyone outside Minnesota would give a rat's patootie who won, were it not for the issue of Senate mix!
His lead is not growing. These are mostly Franken challenges presently being reviewed. Most were not credible challenges. There are many similar challenges made by Coleman that will also fail on review.
What we don’t have is an estimate of how many of these 6000 the Coleman people thought would go for them versus are not going for them. IOW, we don’t really have a score here unless we know how this count is faring with respect to Coleman (or Franken) expectations.
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