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1 posted on 12/16/2008 8:16:23 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Explains a lot.

Yes, it does. It also make one hopeful that then the revolution begins, those chartered with quelling the insurrection will perhaps take less time to aim carefully. Or decide to 'enlist' on the right side.

50 posted on 12/16/2008 9:01:28 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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Think this will spark new legislative initiatives for gun control ? :)


53 posted on 12/16/2008 9:12:38 AM PST by dr_who
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I have always wondered why the conservative states were given the “red state” designation while the liberal states were shown as “blue states”. I infer that the msm felt that by connoting liberal with red would lead to an (likely proper) identification of liberal with socialist/ communist leanings.
55 posted on 12/16/2008 9:16:02 AM PST by marinhottub
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WWII Veterans were very supportive of the VFW and similiar organizations. The Vietnam Veterans I know did not join when they came back because even many WWII Veterans bought the lies of the left and the media and did not make them feel welcome. A few years ago when it was obvious the veterans organizations were falling apart as many of their members passed away they put a big push to recruit the Vietnam Veterans- too little, too late. This happened in my area, I don’t know about other areas. Hubby is a member of the local VFW and has never been active, he gets pleading letters from them all the time about how they need more active members- he is just not willing to participate now. I think it is a shame- but I don’t know the solution.

I think it would be great if the Vietnam Veterans would support the organizations and welcome the new veterans in, but don’t really see it happening.


56 posted on 12/16/2008 9:21:07 AM PST by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Randall from Arlington; RatherBiased.com; 3D-JOY; armymarinemom; chcknhawk; Christopher Lincoln; ...

ping! ...explains a lot....


58 posted on 12/16/2008 9:22:14 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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And not one of our men should bleed a single drop for this pack of useless, defeatist traitors. Bring everyone home, instantly. None left out to dry by men who despise them. It is the last shred of honor this country has. Do it yesterday.
64 posted on 12/16/2008 9:43:30 AM PST by JasonC
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Having served in a Navy that had both draftees who didn't want to be there and volunteers who did I saw the difference. There is no comparison.

The real difficulty is that tough-talking lefties make very poor soldiers. Acts of random destruction are fine as long as they have a nice warm apartment to go back to, to listen to Rage Against The Machine afterwards, but the passion of the Left does not make up for its total lack of self-discipline (the two are not unrelated). A glance at Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, just about half-way through, gives us an idea of what happens when the passion runs out and reality sets in. It isn't pretty, and by then the espresso stands are all shut down and the beer no longer gets delivered to the revolutionary cafes.

To a great degree there was a visceral realization of this East-West dichotomy in the form of one Sarah Palin, whose image of triumph over a blood-soaked caribou evoked horror and revulsion throughout the ranks of the urban enlightened. These are accustomed to hiring their killing done for them whether it be man or beast. It is they who regard soldiers as hirelings and mercenaries. And they are very unaccustomed to hearing the word "No."

The notion of a Keystone Cop group of sad-sacks exerting their political will on the community works only if they are the only ones with guns. I do not anticipate many Revolutionary Cadre detachments setting up shop in western cities, not for long at any rate. In small towns, not for much after dark. In the countryside they'd just...disappear. And there's an awful lot of countryside to control. Just my $0.02.

69 posted on 12/16/2008 9:50:16 AM PST by Billthedrill
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All-volunteer military has created a red-state Army in the U.S.

<<Interesting read. Thanks for posting!


70 posted on 12/16/2008 9:53:22 AM PST by Freedom56v2
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A lot of interesting comments in this thread.

During the worst of the Clinton anti-military effort, an opposing sentiment within the military led to an underground publication within the military called “The Special Forces Resister.” It was so “unauthorized” that it there was a real effort to suppress it and find and punish any military personnel involved in publication, and even subscribing to it!

The theme of the publication was concern for the potential misuse of the military against the american public. At the time the general assumption was that, largely because of the draft, most military members would not balk at being used to forcibly disarm american civilians. At the time there was still a big carryover from the Vietnam war era.

Today’s military is made up of a much better slice of America’s young people. Typically smarter and better educated both militarily and academically. From what information has bypassed the MSM and made it to the public eye, it seems they also have a real understanding of what they are there for. From top to bottom the forces appear to believe in the mission and recognize that they are doing a good thing.

It is hard to quantify, but something that came to light before the recent election may offer a clue. A young woman soldier assigned the duty of accompanying a MSM reporter conducting a “poll” of soldiers on whether they supported Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin questioned 60 soldiers, one at a time. At the 60 point the reporter had found a couple who were undecided, 4 who supported Obama/Biden and a bit over 50 who supported McCain/Palin.

Of course when the report was telecast on tv, 5 of the interviews were used, 1 undecided, 1 McCain Palin and three of the four Obama/Biden supporters. No mention of the total number interviewed or the percentages. If the soldier had not emailed her parents before the news report, no one would have realized the fraud. Of course, it didn’t get much press, but does reflect the general level of reporting.

Isn’t it odd that when we started definitely winning in Iraq, that war became unmentionable on the evening news?

I think it is very significant that “The O” wants to form a national civilian force “as large and well-equipped as the US military” Does anyone believe that force wouldn’t be armed and for the express purpose of disarming the public. Sounds like The One realizes that he has a problem with the public meekly submitting to his plan eliminate the constitution as an effective control on government overreach.

The oath of office of the president, most other high officials, and all military officers are very similar in that they contain the phrase, “....support and defend the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foriegn and domestic...” The oath that I took as a new 2nd Lt. also had the phrase “..and that I will obey the LAWFUL orders of those appointed over me..” (emphasis added) As I understand that phrase, an order to directly violate the fundamental constitutional meaning of the 2nd amendment would not pass the “lawful order” test any more than would be one to execute civilian witnesses my superior officer wanted eliminated.

In the time “The Special Forces Resister” was published there was a high level of concern that the focus on “urban warfare” training was preparation for just such a pogrom against law-abiding US gun owners. If that concern arises again, as is likely under an Obama administration, it is inescapable logic that the Iraq war effort is just such a training program raised to an exponential level. It is by no means certain, however, that Obama can count on misusing the military against US civilians.

Americans had better find a way to anticipate and recognize what is almost surely coming. It is not going to be pretty.


79 posted on 12/16/2008 10:18:09 AM PST by LoneStarC
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That’s why they are so good. They are people who get things done. Liberals whine, Conservatives DO.


84 posted on 12/16/2008 10:34:47 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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bttt


112 posted on 12/16/2008 9:30:22 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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I can’t wait for the next Civil War is over and read how a modern day Sherman marched through Starbucks.


114 posted on 12/17/2008 8:18:03 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (It's no longer the Press Van, it's a "Tanker" Truck!)
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This is written by Danielle Allen. She is the one that criticized web sites like Free Republic for being conservative and not liking poor old Obama. See here.

I am a veteran and military retiree who now lives in Alabama because A) my last assignment was here, and B) the South is a much better part of the country to live in. People are better here, IMHO. I was raised in Vt/NH. Every time I visit there, I am amazed by the economic and political ignorance and lunacy. Most of my old friends and family still there think Southern folks are stupid. It's outrageously funny, since it's so apparent that the opposite is in fact true!

116 posted on 12/17/2008 8:37:30 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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