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What they say isn't what you hear
Jerusalem Post ^ | 12-15-08 | BARRY RUBIN

Posted on 12/15/2008 5:24:02 AM PST by SJackson

The full horror of contemporary Middle East politics and debate is comprehended by few in the West, largely because people aren't informed by their political leaders, intellectuals and media.

Occasionally, the truth emerges, as on September 11, 2001, but soon is reburied under mountains of obfuscation. After all, Iran's president called for Israel to be wiped off the map, according to the official Iranian translation, and The New York Times publishes an article analyzing whether this ever happened.

I imagine exchanges like this: Middle Easterner (in Arabic): "We'll wipe you out, kill your children and trample your cities into dust!" Translator (in English): "He says that justified grievances about American aggression are creating hurt feelings which can only be resolved by Western policy changes."

These thoughts are inspired by at least four examples this week.

First, an Arabic-speaker writes me, "Right now I'm watching Himam as-Sa'id, leader of the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood, on al-Aksa TV giving a speech (or rather a rant). He's screaming about how the Islamic armies will turn Palestine into a graveyard for the Jews." This is followed by threatening the Jordan government as traitorous for making peace with Israel and "the usual clichés." But then my friend concludes: "As we all know, this isn't the sort of language the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood uses when speaking English." For good measure, he inserts some links to Western newspaper articles that claim the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood is really a moderate organization with which Western governments should dialogue.

Then there are two recent interviews given by Palestinian Authority Ambassador to Lebanon Abbas Zaki, who explains that the PA considers the US an enemy. Of course, the Americans have been paying Zaki's salary for 14 years through direct aid and by persuading allies to donate money, backed a Palestinian state and pressed Israel into many concession for the PA. But none of this matters to Zaki and other senior Fatah leaders. In Arabic, they are still hard-liners and anti-Americans.

In early November, Zaki gave a lecture explaining that moderation was just a pretense and the goal was still Israel's destruction. In his words, given the Arab nation's weakness and US power, "the PLO proceeds through phases, without changing its strategy." Soon it would be in a position to bring about Israel's collapse and drive "them out of all of Palestine."

ONE OF the main examples of nonsense substituting for serious analysis is the fantasy of splitting Syria away from Iran. This notion is encouraged by Syria's effective propaganda network and lots of Western helpers. A Lebanese friend sends me a boatload of citations from Syrian officials promising eternal loyalty to Iran. I believe them.

For example, Syria's ambassador to the United States explained on al-Jazeera television in May, "Syria will not distance itself from Iran because our ties with Iran are... [linked] to deep historic, cultural, social and religious ties, common interests." An article by regime fan Rime Allaf in the Novosti press agency on November 25 notes: "For three decades, the Syrian-Iranian relationship has survived a sustained Western effort to break the alliance... and to shift the politics of both regimes." But nothing will weaken this partnership unless the regime in one of these countries falls. Agreed.

The Washington Post's David Ottoway writes of how Syria needs and benefits from the alliance with Iran. But he continues, "Western and Arab sources... feel, nonetheless, that the Syrian-Iranian friendship is unnatural [and] short-term." Syria's regime is thought too secular to stick with Teheran very long. He also, however, provides extensive quotes from Syrian officials who insist - with detailed arguments - that the alliance is here to stay.

Oh, by the way, the article is dated September 29, 1983.

FINALLY, IF you want to understand the current spectrum of public debate in the Arab world, consider a television debate between Kamal al-Hilbawi, director of the London Center for the Study of Terrorism, and political analyst Nabil Yassin. The former is supposed to be the radical, the latter the moderate.

Hilbawi endorses killing Israeli civilians, including children, because, he says they're all potential soldiers. He claims, "In elementary school, they pose the following math problem: 'In your village, there are 100 Arabs. If you killed 40, how many Arabs would be left for you to kill?' This is taught in the Israeli curriculum."

Yassin responds by saying he is against murdering civilians: "I condemn the Israeli governments for teaching children such things, but I do not condemn the child, who still doesn't know how he will kill the Arabs in 20 years' time, when he becomes a soldier."

I read that just after helping my two kids with their math homework and I guess I must have missed those equations. Actually, in my daughter's school they're now studying Islam and Christianity, learning a fair, factual picture of both religions.

There are, however, schools that teach that way. What Hilbawi described is an almost precise rendition of Syrian second-grade textbooks, for example, which contain math problems about killing Israelis.

At any rate, their debate shows us the permissible margin of discussion: The Arab radical lies that Israel is a nation of genocidal killers; the moderate retorts that of course it's true but the children aren't responsible for being brainwashed by those evil monsters.

CERTAINLY, THE best Western strategy in today's Middle East is to cooperate with relatively moderate states and groups opposed to the spread of radical Islamism and Iranian-Syrian influence.

The first problem is that many in the West are more interested in courting the extremists in the mistaken belief they'll change.

The second problem is that even those whose objective interests are relatively moderate and parallel those of the West and Israel - even those acknowledging this fact in private - aren't willing to speak and act along these lines.

The third problem is that there are few moderates and that the spectrum of debate is dominated by extremists and those who pretend to be radical for safety's sake or to exploit militancy for their own advantage.

Oh, by the way, the program in which Arab viewers were told that Israeli schools teach children to murder Arabs wasn't aired on the Hizbullah channel but on the BBC's Arabic service. That's quite a service. Incitement to terrorism thanks to British taxpayer money. Political insanity denied can be contagious.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; mohammedanism; mohammedanism1208; mohammedanism122008

1 posted on 12/15/2008 5:24:03 AM PST by SJackson
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2 posted on 12/15/2008 5:33:08 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: SJackson

The United Kingdom truly is committing suicide, now funding the ideology as well as the agents of its own doom. And it appears that a growing number of Americans have also become too tired or too lazy to maintain their own freedom. While Islamists grow stronger and bolder.


3 posted on 12/15/2008 5:38:15 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: SJackson

I would like to point out to Israel the obvious.

If you were a person, and in your neighborhood lived a large and psychotic man, who frequently screamed at you, and ranted at everyone else, that he was going to murder you and your family. When you go to the police, they say they fully approve of you and your family being murdered, and they aren’t going to interfere, one way or another, if you and the psychotic man attack each other.

Then the psychotic man starts to buy lots of guns, and waves them at you, and screams that he is going to shoot you any minute now.

By this point, hopefully you and your family are armed themselves, and yet you hesitate to fire first, or attack the psychotic man in any way.

Why?

By now, Israel should have launched so many unconventional attacks against Iran that it is paralyzed. They should have no power, or water, or food. Industry at a standstill. Their military and IRGC should be collapsing because of sabotage, and most of the vehicles in the country should be inoperative.

It should have been this way for years.

Why isn’t it?


4 posted on 12/15/2008 6:24:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
It should have been this way for years. Why isn’t it?

Probably for the same reason we invaded Iraq because of Sadam trying to get nukes but haven't done anything about Iran getting them
5 posted on 12/15/2008 6:32:03 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob

The leadership of the US political parties and the Pentagon told W. Bush that he had reached his limit on simultaneous wars. He accepted this judgment, but still encircled Iran with over 300 PAC-3 anti-missiles, deployed and integrated the THAAD system with Israel’s ARROW system, and installed an over the horizon X-Band radar in Israel, to give them maximum warning in the event of an attack.

This means that Israel right now has more missile defenses than anyone else has ever had. Right now they could launch an air attack against Iran, almost with impunity. However, this would be less effective than infiltrating a large number of unconventional ground forces that could literally paralyze Iran’s economy and nuclear weapons and missiles production capacity.


6 posted on 12/15/2008 6:42:24 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I think a more palpable example is the one Ross Perot used once:

“If you had a backyard of tall grass and you knew a rattlesnake was there, what would you do?”


7 posted on 12/15/2008 7:32:50 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Always A Marine

We\are doing the same thing here. The left is bent on committing western civilizational suicide. It’s drilling holes in the hull of our lifeboat and we seem powerless to stop them. People on our side still act as if we need to talk to these people in a civil manner. We really need to obliterate them. We are in an internal war for our civilization, the sooner we realize that the better.


8 posted on 12/15/2008 8:06:07 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

We are now becoming our worst nightmare, offering sanctuary and hiding to these human pieces of garbage that want nothing more than to kill us all.
We not only allow them to come into our country, but grant their every wish all in the name of political correctness.

I was stunned when I read this article. I can only imagine how many terrorists will use this place as a meeting ground now and NOTHING will stop them all in the name of religious freedom.
http://mshale.com/article.cfm?articleID=18301

How can we deal with people who will hide behind our constitutional demand for religious freedom - whill they themselves have no tolerance for anything except their religion?


9 posted on 12/15/2008 8:15:36 AM PST by Munz (Infiltrate Interrogate Eradicate NEXT!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I wasn’t worried about Israel

Supposedly we were worried about Saddam supplying terrorists with nuclear material

Iran can do the same thing


10 posted on 12/15/2008 9:36:40 AM PST by uncbob
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