LOL, they cannot control themselves! So I offer, for fun and not necessarily seriously:
Posted on 12/14/2008 6:16:25 PM PST by crazyhorse691
A Senate committee report makes clear that top officials were responsible for abuse and torture A naked Iraqi detainee is attacked by dogs held by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib.
It wasn't just a few bad apples. It never was.
Of course, the Pentagon and the Justice Department wanted us to believe that the abuses that Americans carried out at Abu Ghraib were strictly the excesses of a small group of poorly trained and inadequately supervised reservists. But consider cases such as that of Imad Khudair, swept up in a raid and held for nine months in 2003, before being released without explanation.
"They stripped me naked for almost 15 days," he told the BBC.
The abuses went on for a long time. Military intelligence officers came and went while they took place. Some occurred during interrogations, according to the 2004 findings by the panel chaired by James Schlesinger. It beggars belief to suggest that all this happened just because Lynndie England and Charles Graner descended into "Lord of the Flies" territory.
"They tied me to a cell door. Then to a wall. Then two people held me from my hands and legs and they slammed me against the wall."
Members of the reserve military police unit forced detainees to masturbate, dragged them around by leashes and sicced dogs on them. It takes more than a few rogues and a little benign neglect to carry out such systematic sadism -- it requires, at the very least, a wink and a nod from on high. Under President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Justice Department counsel John Yoo, it was more than a wink and a nod. It was official policy, as noted in the summary of the bipartisan report released Thursday by the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"That was time without hope. Then one day they called my number and I was told I was released."
In those early days of the war, American commanders like Ray Odierno, now the top general in Iraq, rounded up every Iraqi they had doubts about, shipping them to Abu Ghraib, which was quickly overcrowded. There was little in the way of probable cause, criminal charges or system of appeal. Prisoners were swept together, thugs and innocents alike, and held indefinitely, while families wondered if they had returned to Saddam Hussein's era of terrifyingly arbitrary disappearances.
"My children are terrified every time they see an American now."
The scandal of Abu Ghraib, which might not have provoked such outrage if not for the release of photographs of captives terrorized and humiliated by American soldiers, has done incalculable damage to America's image. In this country, it dissipated the sense of grievance derived from the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and repulsed Americans who wanted to believe the best of their government and their troops. In the words of Thursday's report, "Those efforts damaged our ability to collect accurate intelligence that could save lives, strengthened the hand of our enemies, and compromised our moral authority."
"We are peaceful people. What happened in Abu Ghraib is very bad for America's reputation."
Abu Ghraib provided the searing images, but American policy countenanced torture, secret renditions to cooperative countries, and imprisonment without charges outside the civil legal system. It was a repellent chapter in U.S. history. The Senate Armed Services Committee report is a helpful step toward drawing it to a close.
Pure old fashioned horse manure.
Allah demands sacrifice. A muslim unwilling to suffer for Islam is not a true muslim, and should be killed.
If this has happened to non-muslims, why in the hell are you in a country that only teaches Islam. Learn from your muslim brothers, accept Islam, and die for the prophet.
The funny thing is, Liberals don’t give a hoot about the tanks that shot tear gas and smashed in the Branch Davidian complex in Waco. Killed and tortured innocent men, women and children.
There were several previous investigations and they all said it was a very few guilty of abuse. Now comes a liberal invesigation and voila.
LOL, they cannot control themselves! So I offer, for fun and not necessarily seriously:
America’s dark hour, you useless idiot, began about 40 years ago in New York, when abortion was legalized.
It’s a little hard to muster any significant sympathy for people who would kill us all, given the opportunity.
Brother Dave Gardner
No, if only we could duplicate this result throughout the arab world...
No, the real "repellent" chapter is the feminization of America to the point where we can no longer fight a war to win it, without having to answer to domestic and foreign "matrons" who all insist that we play nice, while the enemy is free to blow up not only our troops, but as many innocent men, women, and children as they can. All without comment by these self-appointed guardians of morality.
The related issue is that the men running this country have also apparently been so feminized that they don't have the cojones to collectively demand that the matrons shut up and let us win the war in any way we need to.
Sorry libs, but I no longer believe anything from you.
Nice try, though, but dhimmicrats discussing morality is sort of like Gore discussing science.
Well, pal, some Americans have been dead for over 7 years because of your buddies. What's 15 days naked by comparison?
"My children are terrified every time they see an American now."
GOOD!
It's still my contention that the implementation of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy by the Clintonistas encouraged sado-masochistic sexual deviants to enlist in the military so they'd get a chance to "play" with POWs and other military prisoners.
The situation at Abu Ghraib was Bill Clinton's fault. BTW, nothing went on there that doesn't go on regularly with some members of the Oregonian editorial board, or at least cross their minds, so their criticisms ring quite hollow.
Be good to see them bankrupt.
Would the Oregonian like to guess how many American prisoners of war came home.....alive? With heads intact? Fook them and their BS.
Redbob ~ Now, if only we could duplicate this result throughout the arab world...
Or as Bluelancer so eloquently put it:
200 years from now, I want their children's children's children to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead because their legends tell of fire from the sky.I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth, shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.
I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with "If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you", and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obesience.
I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea .. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness.
(Original created by BlueLancer ... 13 September 2001)
Yep, the Oregonian dropped their fig leaf and are now fully in the tank for everything “progressive”. (Not that we didn’t already know that).
Isn’t it sad that these a$$e$ have yet to pontificate on virtually every US military or civilian that has been taken by allah’s disturbed children?
Charles Graner and Lyndie England also recorded videos of themselves having sex.
I guess President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec-Def Rumsfeld wanted a "Personal Hygiene" film.
By the way, the Oregonian Editorial Board need to hire a competent editor.
The Oregonian Editorial Board
If you had made as much effort to to condemm Americas enemies some years back as you know spend that effort to destroy Americas abilty to fight the terrorist we may not have needed to be at war.
Just remember that the very people you are trying to destroy (US Military) are the reason you have the right to produce an editrial page.
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