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To: little jeremiah
The Church does not have an "utterly rebellious position," and Protestant pro-life positions are based on the Catholic one.

The big break occurred in the 1930s, when the Anglican (Protestant) church approved artificial birth control, which then led to all the Protestant churches doing likewise. And this is a slippery slope: once children are regarded as a sort of optional addendum to sex, and not a very welcome one at that, abortion becomes the easiest way of dealing with this. Protestants approved of abortion way back when - I remember meeting many Protestants in the 1960s in New York who were working to get the NY anti-abortion law overturned.

The big problem in the Catholic Church has been the rise of the "dissident Catholic," who of course disagrees with all Church teachings but is sought out by the press as an authority and is rarely called out by the bishops. This is because many bishops appointed in the 1970s, fortunately the older ones who are dying off, are very liberal and either agree or are too timid to oppose this thinking.

I would say the bishop of this diocese may have had suspicions about this hospital, but he was too lazy or timid to act on them. And of course, they found a liberal priest to come forward and defend it, and the bishop, wanting to keep his invitation to the nice dinner parties and press events, either didn't care or was too scared to say anything.

You are obviously a good, orthodox Christian who would not have been a member of one of the many Protestant churches that worked - and still work - to spread abortion. But the doctrine on this comes from way back when, before the existence of Protestants, and that is what you are drawing your moral courage from.

26 posted on 12/13/2008 2:05:44 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

I just read the first sentence of you comment - will read the rest in a minute. I did not express myself clearly!!! I didn’t mean that the Church holds an utterly rebellious position, but the priest and any others who are supposed to represent Christ’s teachings as expressed through the teachings of the Church are rebellious, by allowing, condoning and authorizing abortion.

Sorry I was so muddy. I will read the rest of your comment now.


32 posted on 12/13/2008 5:10:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: livius

I knew my “utterly rebellious” comment wasn’t clear enough...

Actually I am a follower of Hindu Dharma but simultaneously revere the teachings and person of Jesus Christ, as the truth is the truth. I am (I will admit) particularly attracted to Catholic tenets and practice more so than Prostetant although I have dear friends here and elsewhere of both stripes, because the Catholic teachings are more close to the principles I follow. Especially in regards to the teachings on sexuality.

I consider all faithful theists my dear family members.


33 posted on 12/13/2008 5:14:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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