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To: dbz77

You wrote:

“Why should they regret measuring up to other people?”

What “up”? How is low standards an “up”? Also, what makes you think that any person needs to “measure up” to someone else by doing something that is not moral and fraught with difficulties such as unwanted pregnancy, STDs, emotional attachments to losers, etc.?

“So now having sex is a lower standard?”

Realistically, if sex has a greater purpose than just your pleasure (and it must have that because sexuality is a universal) than how can a woman “hooking up” casually be anything but lowering standards? How is cheapening yourself NOT lowering standards? Please explain to me - yes I am laughing as I write this - how “hooking up” is NOT lowering standards. Can you do that for me, please?

“So having sex is inconsistent with self-respect?”

Your friends’ behavior and attitude is inconsistent with self-respect and your grasping at straws to explain away that poor self-respect is just proving my case.

“What kind of sexually disoriented thinking is that?”

Sexually disoriented thinking? Now, that’s a fascinating string of inconsistencies right there. Do you really believe that something can be disoriented and thinking? Kind of like doing calculus after a head wound?

“Have you ever, ever considered that there might be a downside to being a virgin? Believe it or not, there is data available on this.”

No, there isn’t any evidence to suggest a college age woman is suffering a “downside” by being a virgin. What does she suffer? Nothing. Disease? None. Unwanted pregnancies? None. Bad emotional attachments through sex? None. Loss of reputation? None. Loss of moral pleasures open to her as an unmarried college age woman? None. She can still eat, sleep, work, play, talk all night, study, graduate, make money, shop, hang out with friends, date, travel, and so on, and so on, and so on. What has she really lost? Nothing.

“Obviously, I am not advocating that twelve-year-old have sex. But there comes an age where it is better to have sex than to not have sex.”

You’re not making sense. Tell me EXACTLY what age you are talking about. 15? 18? 20? 30? What age? Who decides? Is it universal or is it just in the USA? What about for a very mature 15 year old? Is it okay if she gets it on with her 15 year old boyfriend? Gee, how about her 27 year old teacher? How about her 19 year old neighbor? What if that 19 year old neighbor is a woman? What if that 15 year old chooses to have sex with someone knowing he has AIDS or some other STD? Do we have the right to stop her?

Your morality is self-serving at best. You have apparently no standards (except some undefined idea about “age”). That’s it? Thousands of years of moral development and you have...”I am not advocating that twelve-year-old have sex.” Wow, how impressive!


140 posted on 12/13/2008 3:06:59 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
Bad emotional attachments through sex? None
Bad feelings over failing where everyone else succeeded? Sometimes.

Loss of reputation? None.
That would depend on the attitudes of people who are important to her.
145 posted on 12/13/2008 5:43:33 PM PST by dbz77
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