Posted on 12/12/2008 11:59:22 AM PST by Richard_ Saunders_2000
Exactly the people will have no say and at the stroke of 38 pens their rights and freedoms couid be struck down and eliminated and the groundwork could be laid to make Obama Emperor for life.
During a Convention states can also decide to LEAVE the Union.
My understanding is that Congress doesn’t have to call such a convention unless and until the thirty-four states calling the convention have agreed on the purpose of the convention. That not only has not happened, it isn’t likely to happen any time soon.
bttt
Here is your new constitution, written by socialists of course. Enjoy:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/concon/newstates.htm
A CONSTITUTION FOR THE NEWSTATES OF AMERICA, from the book, THE EMERGING CONSTITUTION by Rexford G. Tugwell, published 1974 (Harper & Row: $20.00) illustrates with chilling clarity the final objective of regional governance conspirators. The goal is a corporate state concentrating economic, political and social powers in the hands of a ruling elite. “A Constitution for the Newstates of America”, is the fortieth version of this revolutionary document prepared by a team of social experimenters at the CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS, Fund for the Republic (Ford Foundation), Post Office Box 4068, Santa Barbara, California 93103.
The Center, its first objective accomplished, has appointed socialist-oriented University of Denver Chancellor Maurice B. Mitchell as its new head and may merge with the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, a Colorado-based world government policy promotion agency.
Aspen Institute Chairman is Robert O. Anderson, chief executive officer, Atlantic Richfield Company; member, Committee for Economic Development (laid ground work for regional government), and advisory board member, Institute for International Education. Anderson is the principal figure in campaign aimed at seizing control of the National Rifle Association.
PREAMBLE
So that we may join in common endeavors, welcome the future in good order, and create an adequate and self-repairing government - we, the people, do establish the Newstates of America, herein provided to be ours, and do ordain this Constitution whose supreme law it shall be until the time prescribed for it shall have run.
ARTICLE I
Rights and Responsibilities
A. Rights
SECTION 1. Freedom of expression, of communication, of movement, of assembly, or of petition shall not be abridged except in declared emergency.
SECTION 2. Access to information possessed by governmental agencies shall not be denied except in the interest of national security; but communications among officials necessary to decisionmaking shall be privileged.
SECTION 3. Public communicators may decline to reveal sources of information, but shall be responsible for hurtful disclosures.
SECTION 4. The privacy of individuals shall be respected; searches and seizures shall be made only on judicial warrant; persons shall be pursued or questioned only for the prevention of crime or the apprehension of suspected criminals, and only according to rules established under law.
SECTION 5. There shall be no discrimination because of race, creed, color, origin, or sex. The Court of Rights and Responsibilities may determine whether selection for various occupations has been discriminatory.
SECTION 6. All persons shall have equal protection of the laws, and in all electoral procedures the vote of every eligible citizen shall count equally with others.
SECTION 7. It shall be public policy to promote discussion of public issues and to encourage peaceful public gatherings for this purpose. Permission to hold such gatherings shall not be denied, nor shall they be interrupted, except in declared emergency or on a showing of imminent danger to public order and on judicial warrant.
SECTION 8. The practice of religion shall be privileged; but no religion shall be imposed by some on others, and none shall have public support.
SECTION 9. Any citizen may purchase, sell, lease, hold, convey, and inherit real and personal property, and shall benefit equally from all laws for security in such transactions.
SECTION 10. Those who cannot contribute to productivity shall be entitled to a share of the national product; but distribution shall be fair and the total may not exceed the amount for this purpose held in the National Sharing Fund.
SECTION 11. Education shall be provided at public expense for those who meet appropriate tests of eligibility.
SECTION 12. No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. No property shall be taken without compensation.
SECTION 13. Legislatures shall define crimes and conditions requiring restraint, but confinement shall not be for punishment; and, when possible, there shall be preparation for return to freedom.
SECTION 14. No person shall be placed twice in jeopardy for the same offense.
SECTION 15. Writs of habeas corpus shall not be suspended except in declared emergency.
SECTION 16. Accused persons shall be informed of charges against them, shall have a speedy trial, shall have reasonable bail, shall be allowed to confront witnesses or to call others, and shall not be compelled to testify against themselves; at the time of arrest they shall be informed of their right to be silent and to have counsel, provided, if necessary, at public expense; and courts shall consider the contention that prosecution may be under an invalid or unjust statute.
B. Responsibilities
SECTION 1. Each freedom of the citizen shall prescribe a corresponding responsibility not to diminish that of others: of speech, communication, assembly, and petition, to grant the same freedom to others; of religion, to respect that of others; of privacy, not to invade that of others; of the holding and disposal of property, the obligation to extend the same privilege to others.
SECTION 2. Individuals and enterprises holding themselves out to serve the public shall serve all equally and without intention to misrepresent, conforming to such standards as may improve health and welfare.
SECTION 3. Protection of the law shall be repaid by assistance in its enforcement; this shall include respect for the procedures of justice, apprehension of lawbreakers, and testimony at trial.
SECTION 4. Each citizen shall participate in the processes of democracy, assisting in the selection of officials and in the monitoring of their conduct in office.
SECTION 5. Each shall render such services to the nation as may be uniformly required by law, objection by reason of conscience being adjudicated as hereinafter provided; and none shall expect or may receive special privileges unless they be for a public purpose defined by law.
SECTION 6. Each shall pay whatever share of governmental costs is consistent with fairness to all.
SECTION 7. Each shall refuse awards or titles from other nations or their representatives except as they be authorized by law.
SECTION 8. There shall be a responsibility to avoid violence and to keep the peace; for this reason the bearing of arms or the possession of lethal weapons shall be confined to the police, members of the armed forces, and those licensed under law.
SECTION 9. Each shall assist in preserving the endowments of nature and enlarging the inheritance of future generations.
SECTION 10. Those granted the use of public lands, the air, or waters shall have a responsibility for using these resources so that, if irreplaceable, they are conserved and, if replaceable, they are put back as they were.
SECTION 11. Retired officers of the armed forces, of the senior civil service, and of the Senate shall regard their service as a permanent obligation and shall not engage in enterprise seeking profit from the government.
SECTION 12. The devising or controlling of devices for management or technology shall establish responsibility for resulting costs.
SECTION 13. All rights and responsibilities defined herein shall extend to such associations of citizens as may be authorized by law.
(ETC.)
Hmmmm ... The United States has been under a state of emergency since at least 1962, and is now under at least 15 states of emergency.
Free Republic
I did a Google search on the Ohio con-con call and according to the website that I looked at, it’s not going to happen anytime soon.
We can thank some “fringe” organizations - some of which are often ridiculed here on FR - for helping to stop or delay the Ohio con-con:
“American Policy Institute was successful in stalling a vote on a Constitutional Convention in Ohio, thanks to the Constitution and Libertarian parties of Ohio that testified against the bill. “Members from Campaign for Liberty, Ohio Freedom Alliance, We Are Change Ohio, John Birch Society, Institute for Principled Policy, Constitution Party of Ohio, and the Libertarian Party of Ohio showed up in support [and] most of them testified,” reports the PeaceChicken blog.”
I don’t see the Republican Party, or any other “mainstream” conservative organization in that list. What a surprise. /s
bttt
No, those rules to ratify were under the old Constitution. S'pose the new convention decides it's time to junk the whole document and install "O" as Supreme Monarch? The delegates were lawfully chosen under the old paradigm, this gives the New World Order total validation.
“Any new constitution would need to be ratified by the states before it could take effect.”
I’m good as long as the constitution allows states to secede from the union. I’d move in a minute if Texas or Mississippi seceded. I suspect a lot of productive people would.
And what would this convention do? You realize folks, once America is liberal enough, and it will be, there will be a convention alright, and the changes made you won’t like at all ... They can destroy it all legally and through the provisions already laid down ...
Under the Articles of Confederation. All the states would have had to agree to amendments. The convention which met to "amend", and strengthen the Articles, ended up writing the Constitution, which only required 9 of the 13 states to ratify it for it to go into effect.
With DemonRats in power, anything could happen.
First to go would likely be the Second Amendment, especially now that the Supreme Court has finally ruled that it protects a right of individuals, independent of any membership in an organized militia.
Maybe. But there is an alternative, even if they continue to abide by the Constitution, the Authors of which did not stick by the procedures of the preexisting Articles of Confederation:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress
Who would attend the national Convention and the state ratifying conventions? More importantly who would pick them? Mostly Democrat office holders. Except in the Red states. In the national convention, voting would likely be proportional to population. Which means that the Blue states would dominate. Depending on who picked the delegates to the state level conventions, they might dominate their as well.
But I don't think anyone will bother. They'll just continue ignoring the "inconvenient" parts of the Constitution, and maybe add some "positive rights" by the normal amendment process. (Right to be provided housing, health care, higher education, and a chicken in every pot.. and the pot).
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