Posted on 12/12/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by NYer
THE Vatican today said life was sacred at every stage of its existence and condemned artificial fertilisation, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning and drugs which block pregnancy from taking hold.
A long-awaited document on bioethics by the Vatican's doctrinal body also said the so-called "morning after pill" and the drug RU-486, which blocks the action of hormones needed to keep a fertilised egg implanted in the uterus, fall "within the sin of abortion" and are gravely immoral.
"Dignitas Personae" (dignity of a person), an Instruction of Certain Bioethical Questions," is an attempt to bring the Church up to date with recent advances in science and medicine.
It said human life deserved respect "from the very first stages of its existence (and) can never be reduced merely to a group of cells."
"The human embryo has, therefore, from the very beginning, the dignity proper to a person," the docment by the Congregations of the Doctrine of the Faith said.
It said most forms of artifical fertilisation "are to be excluded" because "they substitute for the conjugal act ... which alone is truly worthy of responsible procreation".
It condemned in-vitro fertilisation, saying the techniques "proceed as if the human embryo were simply a mass of cells to be used, selected and discarded."
The highly technical document said only adult stem cell research was moral because embryonic stem cell research involved the destruction of embryos.
In the document, the Vatican also defended its right to intervene on such matters.
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No. Trying to prevent someone from reproducing. That's what you're fighting, by fighting IVF.
I am a committed Christian and am pro-IVF.
There is one sin associated with IVF, and it can be completely avoided. That sin is the destruction of leftover unused embryos.
There are 3 ways to avoid this sin of destroying leftover unused embryos: 1) donating to other infertile couples, 2) placing for adoption with snowflakes.org, or 3) using the embryos in subsequent IVF attempts until the embryos have all had the opportunity to implant.
The right to procreate is so basic, transcends all other rights. Genetic suicide is strongly disapproved, in all life-forms.
Yes, I believe I read once that only 25% of IVF cycles result in any leftover embryos for freezing.
ethics in an unethical selfish world are totally complicated. Morality however is not. I will live by my morals because they are grounded in the good of society instead of self. Simply stated, what part of thou shall not kill is not ethical? It is easy to see it is immoral to kill a human being, no matter what stage of life it is at. Unethical “ethisits” argue it is ethical to kill some to create one, or heal one, or kill one who’s life is not deemed worth living. This is in complete disagreement with moral teaching. As Ronald Reagan once said, the only ones who argue for abortion are those who were not aborted. Same applies here.
ethics in an unethical selfish world are totally complicated. Morality however is not. I will live by my morals because they are grounded in the good of society instead of self. Simply stated, what part of thou shall not kill is not ethical? It is easy to see it is immoral to kill a human being, no matter what stage of life it is at. Unethical “ethisits” argue it is ethical to kill some to create one, or heal one, or kill one who’s life is not deemed worth living. This is in complete disagreement with moral teaching. As Ronald Reagan once said, the only ones who argue for abortion are those who were not aborted. Same applies here.
I hope you're done taking out all your frustrations owing to your incapability to participate in the discussion, with that cute paragraph. It is plainly evident, what you intended to achieve with that nasty, LOL!
Background chatter, is all what that was.
I’m not trying to prevent someone from reproducing, that’s a grotesque distortion of my position.
I’m trying to protect the basic human rights of ALL humans, not just the ones who survive the womb (or in this case, the glass dish).
Consult Olivia3boys argument.
Selective reduction is by no means a required part of the process of IVF.
Higher-order multiple pregnancies (more than twins) happens more often with IUI, not IVF, because with IVF the number of embryos replaced can be controlled—not so with IUI.
That is truly twisted.
The reality is that the individual's right to life is so basic, it transcends all others.
In essence, respectively, yes you are; no it's not.
See #190
This debate will go away as medical technology advances to the point where few, if any, extra embryos will be necessary.
You are wilfully choosing to not see what's evident, in life.
Reproduction IS paramount, however twisted it may seem. In the long run, in strict terms, as a biological entity, the individual matters a mere fraction compared to its genetic legacy.
Because nature values genetic legacy more than the individual.
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