Posted on 12/12/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by NYer
THE Vatican today said life was sacred at every stage of its existence and condemned artificial fertilisation, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning and drugs which block pregnancy from taking hold.
A long-awaited document on bioethics by the Vatican's doctrinal body also said the so-called "morning after pill" and the drug RU-486, which blocks the action of hormones needed to keep a fertilised egg implanted in the uterus, fall "within the sin of abortion" and are gravely immoral.
"Dignitas Personae" (dignity of a person), an Instruction of Certain Bioethical Questions," is an attempt to bring the Church up to date with recent advances in science and medicine.
It said human life deserved respect "from the very first stages of its existence (and) can never be reduced merely to a group of cells."
"The human embryo has, therefore, from the very beginning, the dignity proper to a person," the docment by the Congregations of the Doctrine of the Faith said.
It said most forms of artifical fertilisation "are to be excluded" because "they substitute for the conjugal act ... which alone is truly worthy of responsible procreation".
It condemned in-vitro fertilisation, saying the techniques "proceed as if the human embryo were simply a mass of cells to be used, selected and discarded."
The highly technical document said only adult stem cell research was moral because embryonic stem cell research involved the destruction of embryos.
In the document, the Vatican also defended its right to intervene on such matters.
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>>Where the hell is a bolt of lightning when you need one? I’m in no mood for this cr@p today.<<
Truth be told!!!!!!
Is it snowing up there? We are being dumped on.
I have seen far too many grotesque genetic deformalities and congenital defects, to think we are products of intelligent design. Of course, your choice of wilfully ignoring to consider the case of crippling / degenerative genetic abnormalities running in contravention of ID, does not make ID any truer.
"...as to the your genes being carried on better, LOL again, because we are taught to be fruitful and multiply, we do so. Many more christians have extremely large families and furthermore, have far fewer abortions than do those who argue for invitro due to that whole selfishness entitlement mentality I was speaking about to begin with."
What about the case of infertile Christian couples who can be helped with IVF. Your having of many children, in no way helps the cause of the infertile couple striving to preserve their genetic legacy. That's the cold, plain, dark truth of our existence on this planet. You can hide this truth however you want, but it never ceases to remain the truth. Sadly.
Oh please, if the embryos are “defective” they would not have survived in the womb anyway and those that are not used can be donated to other childless couples. It is also a “manufactured product” when the egg meets the sperm normally and the defective ones don’t survive, so that point is moot as well.
. . . the infertile couple striving to preserve their genetic legacy.
You didn’t address the relationship of frozen embryos with artificial intervention in vegetative states.
Yes, they are. I’m not advocating the supremacy of nature, however, so it really doesn’t bother me.
“CREEPY NAZI RHETORIC ALERT”
Tell that to the couple down the street who had an IVF child. They’re Jewish.
There is NOTHING Nazi about wanting to preserve ones' genes. I said, an individual mating pair's genes. Nothing racial here, no matter how much you want that to be included here.
Please present stronger arguments, instead of wasting everyone's time.
My wife is going to die sometime anyway, so I might as well push her in front of a bus.
>>Tell that to the couple down the street who had an IVF child. They’re Jewish.<<
And perhaps they were not informed of how many of their other children they killed to get the “strong one”.
I don’t know.
>>My wife is going to die sometime anyway, so I might as well push her in front of a bus.<<
LOL!
And I suppose you are an expert on everything...NOT. WTH is wrong with you saying that a person is uninformed just because they haven't spent years on FR? His/her opinion is just as important as yours and the debate shouldn't end because you arrogantly declare yourself the winner. You need to check your ego, Dear.
You don't have to push anyone in front of any bus. Flushing unused embryos is not strictly IVF. If you have a problem with the flushing, like I do, then address just that. IVF has nothing to do with the disposal. IVF ends with the implantation of the viable embryo. The remaining ones can be frozen in perpetuity, instead of being flushed, in order to satisfy moral obligations expected of us as a society.
Huge difference smarta**. The egg is not an embryo until it is fertilized and a miscarriage is biological rejection by the body.
>>And I suppose you are an expert on everything...NOT. <<
Well, geez whiz, I never said I was.
>>WTH is wrong with you saying that a person is uninformed just because they haven’t spent years on FR? <<
The Poster refered to has spent so little time here that he/she is clueless to the idea of facts backing opinion. I’m sure you know this.
>>You need to check your ego, Dear.<<
And you.
ASSumptions... as they say.
"...he/she is clueless to the idea of facts backing opinion. I’m sure you know this."
LOL.
now that is just silly. The design is perfect, imperfections come only when the design is not followed for some known or unknow reason. Only when one deviates from design do those grotesque deformities happen.
as to those infertile christian couples, they are not practicing what they preach. they are practicing selfishness instead of selfLESSness. Taking in a needy unwanted child as your own is the ultimate act of selflessness. Only caring about perpetuating your genetic line, consequences be damned (creating 10 embryos, implanting only 6, selectively reducing 2-4 to make one viable baby) is the ultimate act of selfISHness, imho.
>>ASSumptions... as they say. <<
*sigh*
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