the point as i see it is, that 0bama swears NO contact/communication took place. so if true, ipso facto he is caught in a lie... multiple lies at that.
Posted on 12/12/2008 5:02:41 AM PST by radar101
"The source said there were a list of names given to the Governor's office of candidates that would be acceptable to President-Elect Barack Obama."
OOPS, s/b 11/06/08 Rahn named chief of staff.
(Note to self: Don’t post before coffee.)
The O has zero executive leadership experience. He doesn’t understand that an effective executive has a responsibility to worry about succession planning. He lacks a real-word frame of reference from which to act.
The Aero’s default response to everything is to ‘shade the truth’ or LIE, LIE, LIE!
I got to thinking last night about the report that ‘many people came and went during the 2 hour conference call’.
Is it possible that these people,(advisors to the President Elect, etc.)dropping in and out of the tapped conversations, were conferring with the President elect over the various ‘offers/demands’ on a separate ‘conference call’?
I am beginning to think that it stands to reason that they were. Why else leave a conference call with Blago and company so many times? Surely not all of these democrat ‘advisors’ are incontinent....lol
Agree. If he can walk on water he can certainly walk on mud.
The thing is, when he hoists his royal robes a couple inches, you catch a glimpse of all the slimy toads underneath.
“I got to thinking last night about the report that ‘many people came and went during the 2 hour conference call’.
Is it possible that these people,(advisors to the President Elect, etc.)dropping in and out of the tapped conversations, were conferring with the President elect over the various ‘offers/demands’ on a separate ‘conference call’?”
You may be on to something. “List of names” backs up your theory. (I’m thinking JJJ and Madigan were not on the 0’s list. Blago dropped Madigan’s name to piss off 0.)
the point as i see it is, that 0bama swears NO contact/communication took place. so if true, ipso facto he is caught in a lie... multiple lies at that.
“(I’m thinking JJJ and Madigan were not on the 0’s list. Blago dropped Madigan’s name to piss off 0.)”
...and it stands to reason that Blago started his tirade because JJJ and Madigan were offering Blago more and Blago expected O to up the anti and play the game to Blago’s advantage. After all, Obama had been playing ‘the Chicago game’ for years, he and Blago were close, Obama had ‘helped’ Blago in the past(and visa versa), and Blago thought he had the goods on Obama(and probably does). Why else would he have gotten so mad, unless he had gone into the meeting thinking he had the upper hand and the ‘expectation’ of Obama playing?
Rahm Emmanuel is the “Pres.-Elect Advisor” referenced in a Nov. 13 phone call which was caught on the wiretap.
Advisor B from D.C. and also another D.C. advisor who is not labeled had were wiretapped in conversations on previous days.
Conversations in which Blago was trying to make all kinds of deals.
It was known to BO’s team that Blago was playing let’s make a deal. Despite that the contacts back and forth continued with Rahm Emmanuel even getting into the mix.
BO’s team wanted Blago to wait two years - serve out his term - them he would get the Change to Win job. Blago wanted something right away. BO’s team thought it too risky to do something right away.
This is hardball and some big fish are going to take a fall.
I don’t buy into the premise that BO’s team were put up to do this by Fitz and were just playing along. Fitz didn’t need BO’s team to play along. He had enough on Blago without getting them involved.
Good analysis here:
http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/more-questions-about-obama-and-blagojevich/
The identity of Advisor B will be very interesting to learn.
My bad! I heard Jesse, Jr say he did not authorize anyone to speak to Blow-go, and I heard O’Teflon stuttering all over the place that he did not speak to the governor...I missed Obama say his office had no involvement. Gosh, all this ‘tranparency’ is blinding.
The fact that Rahm is snarling at reporters and refusing to answer questions and that he’s in a very bad mood says a lot....
Here are the wiretaps inter phased into the timeline.
HT: Flopping Aces for wiretap conversations
http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/more-questions-about-obama-and-blagojevich/
9/17/08 0 calls Emil Jones about ethics bill
9/19/08 Blago calls the move a Republican trap, and brings up Rezko’s name in a presser. “I have a theory on what happened in the Rezko situation was a system, you know, sucked him in and then some lines were crossed and then that person found himself actually violating some of the rules,” Blagojevich said.
10/07/08 Blago tells Rezko to tell the truth, the day after federal prosecutors indicated that the convicted fund-raiser might be cooperating with them. Rezko sentencing subsequently delayed.
10/12/08 Rezko starts talking.
10/17/08 Blago sends 0 message via Sun-Times’ Sneed, “Who will it be?”
10/21/08 Order was signed authorizing a 30-day interception of oral communications at Friends of Blago, Blago’s personal office and the conference room and that it was begun on Oct. 22.
??? Feds ask Trib to hold the presses due to wire taps.
10/28/08 “Goodbye gov? Sneed hears a plan is afoot to impeach Gov. Blagojevich following the presidential election next month. Word is the votes are there. Stay tuned.”
10/31/08 “I just don’t want to jinx him and I don’t like the karma of me thinking that far ahead,” Blagojevich said of Obama ‘s prospects in Tuesday’s election. The governor added, “We have had some discussions about a process which we’ll share ... if all goes well.”
Businessmen with ties to both Illinois Blago and JJJ discussed raising $1 million for 0’s seat. Raghuveer Nayak and Blago aide Rajinder Bedi told attendees at an Oct. 31 meeting that they needed to raise the money for the governor to ensure JJJ’s appointment. “Raghu said he needed to raise a million for Rod to make sure Jesse got the seat,” an unidentified source who attended the meeting told the Tribune. Blago also attended the meeting, which was sponsored by Nayak, an Oak Brook businessman.
11/03/08 Wiretap conversation 1:
*Blagojevich and Deputy Governor A discuss the possibility of an open US Senate seat the day before the Presidential election
* Blagojevich threatens to assume the seat if he is not offered anything
Converstation 2:
* Blagojevich speaks with Advisor A
* Blagojevich tells Advisor A that he is aware of media reports of Senate Candidate 1’s interest in the open US Senate seat; Blagojevich states he will only offer Valerie Jarrett the Senate seat if he gets “something real good;” he reiterates his intention to assume the seat and to drive a “hard bargain”
11/04/08 Conversation 3:
* Deputy Governor A broaches the topic of the Senate seat, and he asks Blagojevich to draft of list of wants for the seat
* Blagojevich notes that nothing can be written down
* Blagojevich states he is interested in an ambassadorship
Conversation 4:
* Blagojevich speaks with John Harris, his Chief of Staff
* Blagojevich mentions the “trick” of conducting negotiations with Obama “indirectly”
* He hypothetically asks Obama what Obama is willing to offer for the seat, and he again reiterates his intention to assume the seat himself
11/05/08 Blago meets with 0 regarding senate appointment process. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2146114/posts (Follow up 11/08, both reports pulled 12/10/08.)
Conversation 5:
* Blagojevich speaks with Deputy Governor A regarding position he can assume if he were to offer the Senate seat to Obama’s chosen candidate
* Secretary of Health and Human Services and ambassadorships are discussed; also discussed is Secretary of Energy and Blagojevich’s connection to the coal industry
Conversation 6:
* Blagojevich speaks with John Harris
* They discuss federal positions that could be traded for the Senate seat, and Blagojevich mentions the private sector and whether Obama could put something “big” together there
* Harris mentions private foundations, and Blagojevich tells Harris to do “homework” right away on the possibility
* The Red Cross is mentioned, but Harris states that it would have to be a private foundation under the influence of a President Obama
Conversation 7:
* Blagojevich speaks with Harris and with Deputy Governor A
* They discuss potential private foundations heavily dependent on federal aid, as this would place it under the influence of Obama
Conversation 8:
* Blagojevich speaks to Advisor A
* Blagojevich mentions how Obama could remove someone from the Board of a private foundation and appoint Blagojevich
* Blagojevich voices demands for something for the seat, and he reiterates an intention to appoint himself to the seat
11/06/08 Rahn named chief of staff.
Conversation 9:
* Blagojevich speaks with Spokesman
* Blagojevich instructs Spokesman to leak information to the Chicago Sun-Times about Senate Candidate 2, Attorney General Lisa Madigan, and Blagojevich’s interest in Senate Candidate 2, which the Chicago Sun-Times published
* Blagojevich instructed Spokesman to leak such information, as he desired to communicate dissatisfaction to the Obama campaign about Valerie Jarrett and what he thought they were offering for her appointment
??? AFTER being name chief of staff, Rahm has multiple conversations with Blago, giving him a list of names acceptable to 0.
11/07/08 Blago sends second message to team 0 via Sneed, “Sen. Madigan?”
Conversation 10:
* Blagojevich speaks with Advisor A
* Blagojevich tells Advisor A he will offer the seat to Jarrett if he is appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services
Conversation 11:
* Blagojevich speaks with Harris and Advisor B, a Washington, DC, consultant
* Blagojevich indicates that he will offer Jarrett the Senate seat if he is appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services, but Harris notes that any deal cannot appear to be a quid pro quo
* Blagojevich notes his financial situation, and Harris states that “they” are considering it
* Blagojevich, Advisor B and Harris then discuss the possibility of a three way deal involving Blagojevich, Obama and “Change to Win,” an organization tied to SEIU (Service Employees International Union)
* Harris mentions how such a deal would conceal a quid pro quo
* Advisor B, who is in DC, is pleased with the notion of a three way deal, and he states that Obama should be leveraged with this deal, as it is better than Madigan as Senator and Blagojevich continuing as Governor
11/08/08 Conversation 12:
* Blagojevich and Harris speak
* Discussed is the potential of a financial benefit for Blagojevich’s wife, who he believes can work in New York or DC with her Series 7 license
* An interim position at Change to Win for Blagojevich’s wife is also discussed
11/10/08 Marathon conference call, more than two hours, between “various Washington, D.C., based advisers,” Blago, his wife, his general counsel, an unnamed adviser, and John Harris, regarding “what (Blago) can get from the President-elect for the Senate seat.” Blago believed the candidate was Jarrett.
7:56 PM ET, CNN reported that “two Democratic sources close to President-elect Barack Obama tell CNN that top adviser Valerie Jarrett will not be appointed to replace him in the U.S. Senate.”
Conversation 13:
* Blagojevich, his wife, Harris, Governor General Counsel and various Washington, DC, advisors, including Advisor B, speak on a conference call
* Blagojevich mentions his connections in Obama’s teams, and he asks how that can be parlayed into financial and political benefits for him and his wife
* Blagojevich mentions how he can assume the Senate seat in order to avoid impeachment in Illinois, and he agrees that Obama will not appoint him to a Cabinet position, as he is too controversial
* Blagojevich asks what he can obtain for the Senate seat, and he mentions that Governor General Counsel believes Blagojevich can be appointed to a private sector Board in exchange for appointing Jarrett to the Senate, but it would have to be a Board not directly connected to Obama
* Blagojevich’s wife also mentions her desire to be appointed to a Board, and Blagojevich mentions his wife’s experience and Series 7 license
* Blagojevich mentions that he does not want to be Governor anymore
* Blagojevich complains that the advisors on the phone are telling him that he must “suck it up” for another two years
* Blagojevich complains that he will receive nothing in return for appointing Jarrett, and he threatens to appoint Senate Candidate 4, one of the three Deputy Governors of Illinois, in retaliation
* Blagojevich mentions how his wife is more qualified to sit on corporate boards than a “specifically named individual,” who is most probably Michelle Obama
* Harris and Blagojevich remind advisors of the problem of Blagojevich’s financial security, and Blagojevich indicates that without something in return he will not appoint Jarrett
* Harris broaches the three way deal with Obama, Blagojevich and the SEIU involving “Change to Win;” such a deal will occur in two years
* A Blagojevich advisor admonishes Blagojevich to be “leery” of promises for events to occur to two years from now
* Blagojevich then discusses other manners whereby he can earn money
Conversation 14:
* Blagojevich and Advisor A discuss the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich asks if Obama could appoint his wife to a Board
* If Obama cannot or will not appoint Blagojevich’s wife to a corporate Board, then Blagojevich will appoint Jesse Jackson, Jr. to the Senate seat
Conversation 15:
* Blagojevich and Advisor A discuss the open Senate seat again
* Blagojevich asks Advisor A to leak to the Chicago Sun-Times that he is seriously considering Jesse Jackson, Jr., for the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich considers this to be another threat to the Obama campaign, who still desires Jarrett
* It is clear that Blagojevich has not intention of selection Jackson; he simply hopes to apply pressure to the Obama campaign
11/11/08 Conversation: 16
* Blagojevich and John Harris discuss the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich suggests the creations of a 501(c)(4) he could run that would be funded by Warren Buffett or other wealthy Obama allies
* Blagojevich also mentions that he could appoint Senate Candidate 4, Illinois Deputy Governor Louanner Peters, who will vacate it if Blagojevich is impeached and in need of a political office
* Blagojevich knows Obama will not offer him what he wants in exchange for appointing Jarrett
Conversation 17:
* Blagojevich and Advisor A discuss the open Senate seat
* Advisor A mentions how he is attempting to leak the story about Jesse Jackson, Jr., to the Chicago Sun-Times, and Blagojevich asks about the viability of the creation of a 501(c)(4) to be bankrolled by wealthy Obama allies
* Blagojevich mentions how he could run such an organization, and he mentions how Senate Candidate 6, an Illinois millionaire who may be Blair Hull, can bankroll the organization, but Advisor A explains how it would be difficult for Blagojevich to appoint Senate Candidate 6 to the open seat
* Blagojevich explains how Senate Candidate 6 is better than receiving nothing for selecting Valerie Jarrett, and he asks Advisor A to locate someone who could broach the possibility of bankrolling a 501(c)(4) with Senate Candidate 6
11/12/08 Durbin announces his intent to speak about his senate candidates with Blago.
Conversation 18:
* Blagojevich speaks with John Harris
* Blagojevich and Harris learn through CNN that Jarrett has withdrawn her name from consideration for the US Senate seat
* Harris interprets it as a tactic of the Obama team
* Blagojevich broaches the topic of a 501(c)(4) again, and he mentions how Obama and allies can fund it while he is still Governor and Jarrett is Senator; Blagojevich also mentions that Senate Candidate 6 can help bankroll the issues advocacy group to be led by Blagojevich
* They agree this is easier for Obama than for Obama to appoint Blagojevich to a position
Conversation 19:
* Blagojevich discusses the open Senate seat with Advisor B
* Blagojevich discusses the option of a 501(c)(4) with Advisor B, who says the “Change for Win” option is better, for from Obama’s perspective, there would be fewer “fingerprints” of Obama’s involvement
* Advisor B mentions that “Change for Win” is a better option, as there will not be stories in four years of how Obama bought Blagojevich off
* Blagojevich mentions how a 501(c)(4) will exist in two years, while “Change to Win” may not
Conversation 20:
* Blagojevich speaks with a different DC advisor about the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich mentions the 501(c)(4), but the advisor in DC reiterates the reason why “Change to Win” is more desirable: it is one step removed from the President-elect
Conversation 21:
* Blagojevich speaks with an SEIU official, SEIU President Andy Stern, who was in DC, about the open Senate seat
* SEIU official met with Blagojevich the previous week, and Blagojevich understood Stern was an emissary of Jarrett
* Blagojevich tells Stern he heard Obama was considering candidates other than Jarrett for the open seat, and Stern states he would discuss this with Jarrett
* Blagojevich mentions the 501(c)(4) advocacy group option to Stern, and he mentions how that advocacy group could assist Jarrett
* Stern says he will “put that flag up and see where it goes”
Conversation 22:
* Blagojevich and Advisor B discuss the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich tells Advisor B that he asked Stern to broach the topic of a 501(c)(4) with Jarrett, Co-Chair of the Obama Transition Team
Conversation 23:
* Blagojevich and Harris discuss the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich mentions how he will decide how he will select a candidate for the Senate seat, and he mentions his legal situation as the most important variable
* Harris reminds him that his legal situation is the hardest one to satisfy, and Blagojevich claims it can be satisfied if he appoints himself to the seat
11/13/08 Durbin asks Blago for a meeting, voices Duckworth as a favorite.
Jarrett accepts cabinet post.
“After several pages of detailing those machinations, the criminal complaint takes an abrupt turn, describing NO WIRETAPS for a period of THREE WEEKS. The complaint says Blagojevich had “numerous conversations” about the Senate seat during that period, but it doesn’t detail any.”
11/13/08 Durbin asks Blago for a meeting, voices Duckworth as a favorite.
Jarrett accepts cabinet post.
“After several pages of detailing those machinations, the criminal complaint takes an abrupt turn, describing NO WIRETAPS for a period of THREE WEEKS. The complaint says Blagojevich had “numerous conversations” about the Senate seat during that period, but it doesn’t detail any.”
Conversation 24:
* Blagojevich and Harris discuss the open Senate seat
* Blagojevich tells Harris he wants to speak directly to “President-elect Advisor” about the 501(c)(4) option and how it could be bankrolled
* Blagojevich says he wants “President-elect Advisor” to receive word of the 501(c)(4) option on that day, for when “President-elect Advisor” asks about the open fifth Congressional district Seat, it will be in the advisor’s mind
* Blagojevich may have the power to appoint a Representative to Illinois’s fifth Congressional district seat, which was previously occupied by Rahm Emanuel
Conversation 25:
* Blagojevich and Advisor A discuss open Senate seat
* Blagojevich mentions how he hopes the 501(c)(4) is in the head of the “President-elect Advisor,” but he hopes it is implanted in that person’s mind in a manner in which it is not connected to the open Senate seat or the open House seat
* When asked by Advisor A if it is, Blagojevich responds, “it’s unsaid. It’s unsaid.”
Conversation 26:
* Blagojevich and Advisor A discuss open Senate seat
* Blagojevich asks Advisor A to contact Individual A and ask Individual A to contact “President-elect Advisor” about the 501(c)(4)
* Advisor A asks if it should be mentioned outside of the open Senate and House seats, and Blagojevich says yes
* Advisor A asks if Blagojevich wants Individual A to contact “President-elect Advisor” as Blagojevich thinks there is still “life” in Valerie Jarrett
* Blagojevich thinks there is still life in Jarrett, but he also thinks there are other options
11/14/08 0 announces senate seat resignation, and distances himself from Blago, (courtesy of the WaPo). Resignation meant to ratchet up the pressure on Gov. Rod Blagojevich “to name a successor more quickly than planned.”
11/23/08 Axelrod said, “I know he’s talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.” (youtube video pulled 12/10/08)
11/26/08 Durbin weighs asking Bush to commute ex-Gov. Ryan
11/27/08 Blagojevich: Bush should let Ryan out of Prison
12/05/08 “Chicago Tribune ran a story on its front page reporting that law enforcement had secretly recorded Blagojevich’s conversations as part of a criminal investigation. Blagojevich immediately instructed Fundraiser A to “undo” the plan to meet personally with the associate of Candidate Five, (JJJ).”
12/09/08 Blago arrested, is accused of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and wire fraud, as well as soliciting bribes.
12/10/08 0 and Durbin call for Blago’s resignation.
hold the tomatoes...maybe I watched too many Sopranos episodes...while we all know Blow-go and the dem machine are total crooks...catching them is another problem....like the mob....saying stuff and doing stuff is different...is talking to Blow-go about selling the seat and inferring a future favor be a crime?...legally I mean. I fear the whore Blow-go and all of them will be off free because Fitz shined the “light of day” upon them before anything actually happened (regarding the senate seat specifically) Other than talk, no money for the senate promise was exchanged and isn’t that necessary to actually convict them of something? (Serano has the disks! Serano has the disks! for you Midnight Run fans out there).
Blow-go is ruined (everyone is appalled, disgusted etc as Fitz pointed out while exposing the complaint against him) and they’ll (Madigans) make a case for insanity which Chicagoans (read Trib’s John Kass) say is silly...not insane, just the arrogant way the game is played. Blow-go will be run out of office which is great...and this Dem insistence to hold a special election (risking a republican gets the job) tells you how frightened they all are and seems to be the way they are all dropping the hot potato.
But...what can touch Rahm or Obama if nothing was exchanged or promised and senate candidate 1 didn’t get the job? It feels like a fishing expedition and if they all stick together and shut up - and of course Blow-go is “crazy” so no one believes him - what will happen?
“I don’t buy into the premise that BO’s team were put up to do this by Fitz and were just playing along. Fitz didn’t need BO’s team to play along. He had enough on Blago without getting them involved.”
I don’t believe they were put up either, but after the 11/10 marathon phone call Team 0 drastically changed course. They were tipped off, IMO, and either played along with the Feds or threw out a ruse.
I like that quote, it may define the Obama administration!
Geeze, Louise, that went from two to eight pages in my Word document. Whoa ho!
“This doesn’t make sense unless something shady was going on in association with those contacts.”
Probably nothing another $800,000 in attorneys fees won’t fix.
BINGO!
Well, yes. One would certainly expect them to have had such conversations. It is exactly what you would expect, in fact.
Which is why it's so interesting that Obama denies ever having had such a conversation.
Blago is a corrupt SOB, of course, and one must view Obama's denial in that light. He naturally wants to avoid guilt by association. The problem is that he flatly denies that any discussions took place at all, not only by Obama, but also his "office."
Such a claim is simply incredible, especially since his own spokesman, and the Blago tapes, pretty much confirm that such discussions did take place.
The suspcions arise because an honest man would say, "Sure we talked about it. Given the circumstance, we had to talk about it. But there was no discussion of a quid pro quo for the seat."
But Obama didn't say that, and his denials are not plausible. One begins to believe that Obama's folks were doing a little deal-making with Blago the corrupt governor.
The question now is whether or not there are reporters and news organizations hungry enough to chase this down. And I tend to think there are still some out there.
The fact that Rahm is snarling at reporters and refusing to answer questions and that he’s in a very bad mood says a lot....
But will the MSM continue to push for answers?????
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