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The article itself makes some sense, while the faith in Mr. Obama is misplaced.

Suffering? No one in this country is starving unless they are obstinate or bulemic. The average "poor" family has a car, television, Internet, a roof over their heads, free education, Food Stamps, Section 8, and much more. In Africa, South America and Asia that's called "middle class" or better.

1 posted on 12/11/2008 12:51:18 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: TigersEye

I like this idea. I think since I don’t have the campground next summer I will plant a huge garden.


2 posted on 12/11/2008 12:53:53 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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“I bought seeds, followed the instructions on the seed packet, and grew corn in the backyard. It didn’t do very well.”

And that’s the problem Ari, you at 9 years old back then were better educated than many of the idiots that graduate from Harvard these days. Most public high schoolers couldn’t get through the instructions of the back of a seed pack. They will starve - bet on it.


3 posted on 12/11/2008 1:01:23 AM PST by Kent C
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Perhaps the next step, as Pollan suggests in his memo, and with all due respect to lawn-lovers, could be converting a portion of the White House lawn into a vegetable garden. A campaign called “Eat the View” (www.eattheview.org) is already petitioning the president-elect to do just that. A White House “First Garden” in the same soil where Eleanor Roosevelt planted her Victory Garden would send a strong message to the nation and the world.

I can see Michelle hoeing. With the way our government operates, they'd have six people doing a 2 man job.

4 posted on 12/11/2008 1:15:10 AM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We had a large vegetable garden when I was a kid.

It was the late 1970s, not the 1930’s, but the purpose was similar - money was tight, and anything we could do to save money on food was worth a shot. We grew corn, tomatoes, squash, eggplants, and string beans. We even had a small strawberry patch.

The funny thing was, even though we did it because times were tight, I always felt rich because of the harvest. There’s nothing in the world like fresh corn on the cob, and *no* supermarket tomato can match the flavor of a homegrown beefsteak. Summer cookouts always seemed like a feast to me.


5 posted on 12/11/2008 1:33:04 AM PST by DemforBush (Millions of conservatives have got your back, Sarah!)
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The article itself makes some sense...

Not so much; it is entirely idiotic.

First of all, the author gives a history of "victory gardens," but then goes off on a completely unrelated topic...the mass production of wheat, rice, soybeans, and corn.

Victory Gardens were a means of providing a family with a decent supply of fresh vegetables during rationing. At the time, many people had an area where they could grow such a crop...now, most people do not.

Anyone familiar with vegetable gardening, also understands that you need to plant at varying times, to assure a constant source of such vegetables (as your climate will allow)...plus, you need to know how to freeze or preserve the excess...and be willing to do so.

Pollan (who is a constant source of idiocy on the subject of agriculture), cannot seem to understand that most of the farms that he so despises do not produce "food" that goes to the grocery store directly.

Good luck growing a wheat or rice crop in your back yard...get back to me if you need to know how to grind your suburban wheat into bread.

Corn and soybeans are largely used to feed livestock, pressed into oil, used in other food processing, or exported to other countries.

Furthermore, if we decided to have new "victory gardens" we would displace the fruit and vegetables growers in our own "climate zones"...in other words, you would put your local growers out of business. I'm sure that the Mexican and South American growers would just love the extra business.

So, you would destroy American businesses on an experiment that is destined to fail while having absolutely ZERO effect on the commodity crops. Typical greenie pipe dream.

6 posted on 12/11/2008 1:41:55 AM PST by garandgal
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I wish they could just say “growing your own food can be fun, cheap, and healthy.”


8 posted on 12/11/2008 1:59:30 AM PST by YCTHouston
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Too bad the nimrods who write this kind of drivel aren’t forced to toil in the fields. Of course, within Obama’s first term, they will be...


9 posted on 12/11/2008 2:02:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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It is irresponsible to place the burden for food production on the public.

Licensing and inspecting these ‘victory gardens’ to insure their safety and compliance with all local, state, and federal environmental/zoning/agricultural usage regulations would be necessary, and there is no certainty that participants would achieve successful, equitable results.

This matter is best left in the hands of The Department of Food, which Obama will institute just as soon as the healthcare matters are sorted out.

10 posted on 12/11/2008 2:04:55 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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as Michael Pollan points out in his recent memo to the next "Farmer in Chief" in the New York Times Magazine, "The era of cheap and abundant food appears to be drawing to a close." Rising oil prices are a big reason for this, but expensive food is hardly the only downside to petroleum-intensive farming. "The way we feed ourselves contributes more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere than anything else we do," writes Pollan.
Another Malthusian delusionist.
11 posted on 12/11/2008 2:05:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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I like the idea of “Victory Gardens” but not as an adjunct to the adventure in socialism that the author intends it to be.

For those who have the space and the minimal talent to raise some of your own food, I think you’d be a fool not to do so. And it’s precisely because of socialism’s impact that it makes sense. You do not want to be in a situation where you have no access to an alternative supply if there is a natural disaster, or even a political disaster where food becomes a scarce or rationed commodity. Those few notso hotso looking tomatoes you grow will look like a bonanza if you otherwise can’t get them.

I also think it’s a good idea to have a few month supply of food stored regardless. Natural and economic disasters do happen.


13 posted on 12/11/2008 2:26:20 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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We’ve had a vegetable garden before, and we live in the city. But it’s hard work, and pretty expensive per the yield because the soil in our backyard isn’t rich enough for growing (we live in Florida.) We boxed in an area with railroad ties and filled it in w/good soil. We used some seeds and some plants. Tomatoes and peppers were our most successful crops, but I could have bought lots of produce for what it cost to build and maintain that garden (we did it as a homeschool project.)

We won’t starve though, LOL, we can always eat fish. My guys spearfish and our freezer is always full.


17 posted on 12/11/2008 2:57:34 AM PST by Dawn531
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Eleanor Roosevelt was a socialist and a communist.

With people like Obama running the economy, we will probably have to grow our own food AND stand in long lines to get a can of soup.

It is the end result of Socialism.


18 posted on 12/11/2008 3:10:46 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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They make it sound like they are rediscovering veggie gardening!!! OMG! This article is a riot of a laugh. Most city folks and suburbanites have no idea how to veggie garden.

Here is where I get my seeds from: http://www.victoryseeds.com/ Good heirloom quality seeds, from which I can save seeds on my own. Most of the new hybrid stocks don't produce a viable seed stock.

What is frightening to think about in regards to the article is to start to wonder if the new administration isn't forewarning about a food ration? Is this actually a propaganda piece?

Think about it for a moment. He has already told us energy prices are going to escalate and people are going to have to decide between wants/needs over human basics. Food, heat, cooling, water, shelter... If you're growing a portion of your own food you can pay for energy, you can pay the new taxes, you can pay for health insurance...

The new administration has already told us things are going to get worse, not better anytime soon.

24 posted on 12/11/2008 4:17:00 AM PST by EBH ( Directive 10-289)
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Indeed, our poor are the richest in the world.

But planting a garden is a very good idea. We are expecting our first, and I have been planning to plant a different variety of things than I usually do now.

Also, it is a good idea to find a farmer (or raise your own) who will sell you a half or whole butchered cow. Get a freezer, and stash it away. We haven’t bought hamburger for almost five years now, my father in law keeps us well stocked.


25 posted on 12/11/2008 4:30:53 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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While a vegetable garden is nice (I have a 25’x25’garden myself) it is only a hobby and will only minimally supplement your regular intake of vegetables.


You can farm, or you can work at your job. You certainly can't do both. (Pssssst! If you choose farming you'd better move out of that city & get some land)

This crap is a Socialist pipe dream aimed at the mental defectives.

27 posted on 12/11/2008 4:47:39 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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Remembering victory gardens from my youth, we put in a veggie garden for the first time last Spring as a statement against the increasing prices at the market. We didn't save that much but we sure received a psychological boost doing so.
29 posted on 12/11/2008 5:44:06 AM PST by elpadre (nation)
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Patio tomatoes in containers are fun and easy.


30 posted on 12/11/2008 6:00:39 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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the two wars we’re currently fighting have only helped sink the economy even more

Corruption from Democrats surrounding Fannie Mae etc. are what have killed our economy. It appears to have been a looting of the treasury by Socialists. Same as always happens when they want to come to power in a nation.

31 posted on 12/11/2008 6:04:25 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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While we probably don’t need another world war, some lessons learned during the last one may still be relevant.

Because trying to live alongside Islamonazism and a "nusiance" level of terrorism has worked so well for 40 years, right? Not everyone should be permitted to live under Democracy, right?

Useful idiot. Go sit among your your carrots.

32 posted on 12/11/2008 6:07:16 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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Garden Ping.........

Tucked in amongst the obvious moonbattery there are actually some decent ideas.....


36 posted on 12/11/2008 6:34:15 AM PST by Gabz (Is a sarcasm tag really needed?)
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