Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 12/09/2008 9:16:36 PM PST by neverdem
I think it is much cooler here in my neck of the woods, than average.
“Al Gore himself descends on Wednesday to personally bless the conclave’s work product”
Climate Pimp Algore. I’ll give him credit for one thing, he saw a great racket to get into on the ground floor.
Manbearpig bump.
Anybody got a hot air-sickness bag? I think I’m gonna puke.
Global Warming getting debunked by the data as we speak. The models are broken and basing policy on broken models is the ultimate in stupidity.
LOL...want to go back to the bronze age?
We use broken models for so many things...the key is in understanding that the models aren't perfect. In the common paraphrase of George Box: “All models are wrong, but some are useful.”
A poor calibration on a model doesn't mean it's not useful or appropriate for the decision at hand.
LOL, very funny stuff.
Right or wrong about climate change, this is a strawman argument. Kyoto was meant to reverse the upward trend in emissions among inudstrialized nations not "solve" climate change. Most of the countries that committed to Kyoto reductions have managed to grow their economies and cut emissions at the same time. The point was to change direction, not to fundamentally alter the temperature. That would take more ambitious goals. So either this guy does not understand the treaty and is therefore not bright enough to analyze science or he is intentionally trying to be misleading - (which is exactly what he claims that the people in Poznan are doing). I would go for the latter.
Depends upon your definition of 'useful' - and whether or not that definition fits within valid scientific guidelines or political ones instead.
Show me any G-8 signatory of Kyoto that has cut CO2 emissions.
Germany.
You wrote that. I answered with one country about which I was certain. What do you want from me? You could have written "except those devious Germans".
On the other hand I can point out that ALL of European G-8 have cut emissions and except for Italy they will probably meet their Kyoto targets.
Here you go:
France: -4.2% below 1990
Germany: -18% below 1990 (more than accounting for the East)
Netherlands: -8.4% Italy -4.6% below 1990 UK - 20% below 1990
Germany is still the world's largest exporter. The UK has had a booming economy. Basically your statement about hurting the American economy proves you don't believe Americans are capable of innovation. Pitiful that you have so littel confidence in your own nation. Maybe you are in part of the country that is not "real America"?
I beg to differ.
They weren’t basing policy on a bad model.
They contrived a model to justify their policy (global socialism).
And if this one fails to gain traction, they’ll look for another one.
Not to the victims of Hurricane Ike.
While the model was incorrect on exactly where landfall would be, it was useful to know that a hurricane was coming to some region of the Gulf Coast.
Good point, as an engineer I get your point (all models have error)
... but these models are beyond merely erroneous, they are the supporting arguments for a fraud and only ‘useful’ in promoting horrible public policies for a ‘threat’ that isnt really there.
Proof of fraud? Let IPCC tell us what the accuracy metrics, error bars and disqualification criteria are for these models. They cant because there arent any. They have turned hypothesis into (imagined) reality without bothering with validation and confirmation!
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