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Bush Says He Doubts Bible Literally True
AP ^ | 12-09-2008

Posted on 12/09/2008 2:39:05 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

President George W. Bush said his belief that God created the world is not incompatible with scientific proof of evolution.

In an interview with ABC's "Nightline" on Monday, the president also said he probably is not a literalist when reading the Bible although an individual can learn a great deal from it, including the New Testament teaching that God sent his only son.

About creation and evolution, Bush said: "I think you can have both. I think evolution can — you're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president. But it's, I think that God created the earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution."

"You know. Probably not. ... No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament for example is ... has got ... You know, the important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" Bush said.

"It is hard for me to justify or prove the mystery of the Almighty in my life," he said. "All I can just tell you is that I got back into religion and I quit drinking shortly thereafter and I asked for help. ... I was a one-step program guy."

"I do believe there is an almighty that is broad and big enough and loving enough that can encompass a lot of people,"

Asked whether he thought he would have become president had it not been for his faith, Bush said: "I don't know; it's hard to tell. I do know that I would have been — I would have been a pretty selfish person."

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To: big'ol_freeper

How so?


81 posted on 12/09/2008 3:34:02 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: nobama08
The question is literal or spiritual interpretation. I am trying to understand the point of view of the literalists.

Each translation is different, each interpretation is different. Which is authoritative?

And what of things about which the Bible is silent?

82 posted on 12/09/2008 3:34:09 PM PST by starlifter
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To: RightOnline
sigh.............Mr. Bush, just shut up and retire to Texas. Please.

Thanks for clarification on what the appropriate answer should have been.

Since I can't answer any better than the Pres., maybe its best you don't ask me the same questions. Time for me to move on..........

You know its funny but I had a response from a guy about a week and a half ago who claimed to be a personal friend of his pastor who made the following statement: " then the retirees can F’ off. I will tell my paster that and since I know him pretty well he will agree with me. You are a RINO (worlds greatest insult)! Go away,

So it just makes me wonder what it takes to truly be considered a Christian.

What church must you belong to in order to be considered a Christian?

What is the appropriate response to a religious based question that would entitle you to be considered a Christian?

So far I haven't found anyone here capable of answering my questions and all the so-called Christians certainly aren't behaving in a manner that makes me want to attempt to embrace whatever it is they are believing in, you included........

I've been searching for help in trying to find a christian foundation in which to anchor myself but it certainly hasn't been openly available around here.

83 posted on 12/09/2008 3:34:26 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (What size shot works best on 4 calling birds?)
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To: nobama08
Drake equation. There's the problem of Fermi's paradox, tho. :|
84 posted on 12/09/2008 3:35:44 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.89

I'm not sure I understand...do you mean that only the Catholic Church can lead you to salvation?

85 posted on 12/09/2008 3:36:49 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Erik Latranyi
But the Bible is written and intepreted by man.....very fallible and prone to mistakes. Man's interpretation is fallible, but God's spirit reveals the truth to those he chooses.
86 posted on 12/09/2008 3:39:18 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot
How so? You cannot believe the gospel unless God gives you the faith to believe it.

You have set yourself up as God by taking it upon your own magisterial authority to determine who has "faith" and who doesn't simply based on what YOU believe. You have limited God by stating that the Church has not authority to interpret, basically saying that God can't work through His Church.

As I said, really weak.

87 posted on 12/09/2008 3:40:57 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: starlifter
But a lot more don’t...

a lot of people are trying to pick their own way to heaven even though the Bible says there's only one way.

88 posted on 12/09/2008 3:41:46 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Krodg

Evidently you don’t recognize a quote from one of the great saints, Saint Augustine of Hippo.


89 posted on 12/09/2008 3:42:26 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: P8riot

How do we know who the chosen ones are?


90 posted on 12/09/2008 3:42:29 PM PST by starlifter
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To: Krodg

And what is that way?


91 posted on 12/09/2008 3:43:55 PM PST by starlifter
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To: My Favorite Headache

And exactly what does he take as literal, besides the fact God had a son, and what does he presume isn’t literal?

Clearly not everything is meant to be literal. Parables are meant to teach a lesson. But the key is whether he stays within the obvious confines when making this judgement. It’s my experience when people start making statements like the one he just made, that they go well beyond the common sense articles such as instances in Rev. when the apostle tries to describe what he sees but has to rely on imagery in certain instances.

G.W.B. is walking a very thin line there and could lose what’s left of his approval ratings on this, not that he cares. The evolution response is going to cause screaming as it is.


92 posted on 12/09/2008 3:45:15 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Gov. Sarah Palin '08 -- President Sarah Palin '12)
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To: big'ol_freeper
You have set yourself up as God by taking it upon your own magisterial authority to determine who has "faith" and who doesn't simply based on what YOU believe.

Not so, I am just stating that belief in the gospel is not dependent on any church, but in the faith that God gives those who would believe. We cannot believe the scripture at all unless God gives us the faith to believe. What is so hard about that?

93 posted on 12/09/2008 3:45:54 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot

Hey, whatever works for YOU.

If you want to use a redacted Bible, you might as well have a redacted faith to go along with it.


94 posted on 12/09/2008 3:47:00 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: starlifter

It’s not a matter of us knowing who “they” are, but rather asking God to reveal himself to us.


95 posted on 12/09/2008 3:48:54 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot
Fair enough. I doubt there are two people who have the same understanding and belief of every element in the Bible. That implies there are a range of beliefs that are then acceptable.
96 posted on 12/09/2008 3:52:11 PM PST by starlifter
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To: big'ol_freeper
Evidently you don’t recognize a quote from one of the great saints, Saint Augustine of Hippo.

No, not being a catholic I didn't know that. I guess I should take my question to the saint.

97 posted on 12/09/2008 3:54:27 PM PST by Krodg
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To: starlifter

That’s the premise behind denominations and sects. Contrary to what some people on this board might say, I don’t believe any one church has it all right. I will attend the church that teaches the scripture closest to the way that I believe, and I will base my beliefs on the scriptures, not what some priest or preacher tells me to believe, unless it squares with what I read in scripture.


98 posted on 12/09/2008 3:56:44 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Mamzelle

“Professed belief in evolution is now the new litmus test.”

for what?


99 posted on 12/09/2008 3:57:06 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Krodg

That would be a useful step to understanding the fullness of Divine Revelation. I congratulate you.


100 posted on 12/09/2008 3:57:34 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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