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To: GiovannaNicoletta
"God tells us that He wrote the Bible. Now we have George Bush, like so many atheists, declaring that the Bible isn't "literally true"."

You embarrass yourself.

"...It doesn't take very long to realize that a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields. Obviously the vast majority of believers spend their entire lives doing little more than reading the Bible in English (or whatever native tongue) and importing into its words whatever ideas they derive from their own experiences. This process is very often one of "decontextualizing" -- what I have here called "reading it like it was written yesterday and for you personally." ... ["trailer park scholarship" ].

Let's anticipate and toss off the obvious objection: "Why did God make the Bible so hard to understand, then?" It isn't -- none of this keeps a person from grasping the message of the Bible to the extent required to be saved; where the line is to be drawn is upon those who gratuitously assume that such base knowledge allows them to be competent critics of the text, and make that assumption in absolute ignorance of their own lack of knowledge -- what I have elsewhere spoken of in terms of being "unskilled and unaware of it."

And is my observation to this effect justified? Well, ask yourself this question after considering what various fields of knowledge a complete and thorough (not to say sufficient for intelligent discourse, though few even reach that pinnacle, especially in the critical realm) study of the Bible requires:

[snip]

That's quite a list, but there's one more note to add -- the holistic ability to put all of it together. How serious is this? Very. A carefully crafted argument about a text being an interpolation can be undermined by a single point from Greco-Roman rhetoric. A claim having to do with psychology can be destroyed by a simple observation from the social sciences. Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect -- what then of the non-specialist critic who puts together a website in his spare time titled 1001 Irrefutable Bible Contradictions? Do these persons deserves our attention? Should they be recognized as authorities? No, they deserve calculated contempt for their efforts. (By this, I do not mean emotional or behavioral contempt, but a calculated disregard for their work from an academic perspective.) They have not even come close to deserving our attention, and should feed only itching ears with similar tastes. ... engaging what I will call from here on "trailer park scholarship" ..."

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94 posted on 12/09/2008 7:31:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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To: Matchett-PI
No, I don't embarrass myself at all. Your lame attempt to marginalize me because you don't like what I am saying is embarrassing to you; you just don't realize it.

You can spare me the cut and paste chunks of garbage written by people who, like atheists and apparently like George Bush, have taken it upon themselves to declare God to be a liar. The simple fact is that, just as one example of the literal truth and inerrancy of Sripture, approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and are being fulfilled in our time.

Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102,000.

But that's all just an accident, right? God had nothing to do with it and it's just coincidence and the Bible is nothing but myth and fairy tales and fables.

Give me a break. You don't believe in the Easter Bunny either, I presume? Why don't you spend as much time and energy trying to convince people that he doesn't exist as you are spending calling God a liar?

159 posted on 12/09/2008 2:42:36 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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