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To: visually_augmented

Your statements may be true but are irrelevent to where Obama was born. With all the other holes in his background, Obama’s birth in Honolulu is probably one of the few things you can count on in Barack Obama’s life.


203 posted on 12/09/2008 5:50:16 PM PST by WOSG (Obama - a born in the USA socialist)
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To: WOSG

Wow. Just (finally) made it through to post 203 in this thread. Gotta give you points for stamina!

Unfortunately, this argument has generated a lot of heat, and no light. All I’ve seen for the last 100+ posts is “you’re wrong” and “no, you’re wrong”, along with some ad hominem attacks (from both sides). Both sides seem to look at the information completely, and then have become satisfied with their separate conclusions.

Me? I’m stuck in the middle here. Occam’s razor would say you’re right, he was born in Hawaii. But that doesn’t satisfy a LOT of un-answered questions with concrete proof. And I’m a strict constructionist when it comes to the Constitution, so I want proof beyond any reasonable doubt. I’m hung up here:

1. The CoLB could easily have been forged. Annenberg isn’t a forensic company - their opinion on validity carries no weight with me. Plus, it’s not the long-form vault copy, that would include hospital of birth, attending physicians and/or nurses, other witnesses, etc. Fukino says they have it, and she’s seen it. For the cost of a FedEx pack, Obama could approve its release. Instead, he’s spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars fighting lawsuits. Why does this make sense to anyone?

2. Obama’s Indonesian school records say his name was Sotero. The schools require Indonesian citizenship for attendance. There is no provision/allowance for dual-citizenship in Indonesia at the time. Did he give up his U.S. citizenship? Did his mother and father lie to get him into school? I don’t know, but I want to know. If he DID give up his citizenship, then he’s ineligible, as he’s never applied for reinstatement, as far as anyone knows.

3. He traveled to Pakistan when it was prohibited for US citizens to do so. On what passport? As what nationality? A simple photocopy of the passport used, with entry/exit visa would suffice.

4. There’s a lot of public comment and confusion on place of birth: grandmother says Kenya; Kenyan Ambassador says Kenya; sisters say Hawaii, but at two different hospitals; one investigator looked and found no hospital with any records of his birth there. Obama himself says he was a British subject at birth, due to his father’s Kenyan nationality. Was he a dual-citizen? Again, a lot to clear up here too.

5. His records from Columbia University and Harvard were sealed. Why? Who knows. But, they could either corroborate or conflict with the Hawaiian birth story. His application, including one for financial aid, would state his place of birth and his nationality. This could help or hurt his case, depending on content, but he’s had them sealed.

What I’m left with is a lot of suspicion. He’s going to lead our nation, and be entrusted with our greatest secrets. Yet he’s unwilling to even crack the window a little about his past? Bizarre! Especially from the wing of the political spectrum that rails against the Bush administration as the most secretive in history.

Obama has the ability to make most/all of this go away by opening records, and being fully candid and transparent. As you state, he could be ignoring the issue to make the right look like kooks. He could also have something to hide.

Summary? Daylight is the best disinfectant. Open up the records and let us all see. We can then separate the true kooks from those of us that just want the whole truth.


205 posted on 12/10/2008 7:53:40 AM PST by Be Free (Liberalism is a disease.)
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