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To: WoofDog123
Israel does not DESERVE blank cheques from the US.
Not to worry. The US has never given Israel a blank cheque.

They are only a co-belligerent in this terror stuff. They are not our friend.

Co-belligerent. Talk about leftist-style immoral relativism.

Do freepers understand that nations have no enduring alliances, only enduring interests? Nations sure as heck don’t have friends.
That is an ideological position. We have been friends with Great Britain for a century. Try again.

Honestly, in terms of actually FIXING problems, Israel used to be tremendously effective. The 1967 and 1973 wars, the bombing of the iraqi reactor - where is that country now?
Alive, which evidently you would prefer it not to be.

What I do find troubling is how the new president intends to approach the major global problem of the rise of radical islam. I am aware of no specific opinion at all from the guy.
Liberal internationalism.

26 posted on 12/08/2008 5:01:41 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: rmlew

“”They are only a co-belligerent in this terror stuff. They are not our friend.”

“Co-belligerent. Talk about leftist-style immoral relativism.”

Co-belligerency pre-dates your fancy words by countless millenia, it is a concept expressed at the instinctive, not fancy-textbook level even in primates. It means ‘we should to kill this third guy off together, but we is quits after.’ I am not sure what moral issues you may have that confuse this.

Have you ever studied the second world war in europe, and the relationship between the USSR and the US and Great Britain? How would you compare and contrast that relationship with the term ‘co-belligerency?’

“”Do freepers understand that nations have no enduring alliances, only enduring interests? Nations sure as heck don’t have friends.”

That is an ideological position. We have been friends with Great Britain for a century. Try again.”

Not try again, smart-person. First, a century is not that long, assuming historical literacy. Second, we share a profoundly deep cultural heritage with GB which even then wasn’t enough to prevent ongoing issues even through the civil war. What we have in common with Israel by comparison is miniscule. Care to elaborate? I hope you understand that great britain is our long-term ally, not our friend.

“Honestly, in terms of actually FIXING problems, Israel used to be tremendously effective. The 1967 and 1973 wars, the bombing of the iraqi reactor - where is that country now?”

Alive, which evidently you would prefer it not to be.”

Generally on FR, one who criticizes Israel is responded to with this suggestion - to question anything the US does in support of israel is to wish for its destruction.

Perhaps you have other loyalties, but I am a natural born citizen of the US, not Israel or wherever you are from or have decided to have loyalty to.

In fact, I would be very happy to see US citizens banned from having dual+ citizenship, and given the choice of either renouncing (verifiably) said foreign allegiance or being given the choice of some unpleasant legal penalization or renouncing their US citizenship in favor of permanent legal residence, without voting rights.

People forget the Liberty and the Pollard case so easily and quickly.


48 posted on 12/08/2008 7:47:41 PM PST by WoofDog123
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