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These guys were ambushed - the insurgents operating in Iraq understood that if they could draw any PSD company into an ambush - especially the high profile Blackwater - then they could get the main source of security for diplomats ousted - this would strike at the diplomatic and reconstruction effort. If that effort was to end - there would be no need for the military presence.

I was south of this area and counted up over 250 death in a 45 day period in 2006 where Shia slaughtered Sunnis in revenge attacks. Quoting some Arab saying that justice needs to be heard is liken to a rapist shouting that he doesn't want to be beaten up once in prison - it makes no sense!

Anyone operating in Iraq who has gone through an ambush can understand that there is never a crime scene. Any insurgent that falls dead from counter-fire will be striped of his possessions by those around him - that's the way it works over there and will always work.

The US public and especially Wash DC has no idea what guerrilla warfare is all about and can't wrap their little heads around it - nor take the time to understand - and will always sell out for the sake of "looking good."

I support BW and the brothers within! God be with them - because the State Dept is not!

1 posted on 12/08/2008 8:55:13 AM PST by BCW
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They should have booted the diplomats into the street and driven off.


2 posted on 12/08/2008 8:57:58 AM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

I wish these guys well and support them 100% on protecting their own and their client’s lives in a war zone


3 posted on 12/08/2008 9:05:52 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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Insurgencies are fought by civilian fighters who operate among civilians, launch their attacks from among civilians, use civilians as human shields, and then escape and hide among civilians.

It is impossible to fight this kind of insurgency without killing civilians. If you do not have the nerve to confront and accept civilian casualties, you have already lost and you may as well surrender.

If you do not have the nerve to confront and accept civilian casualties, you do not have the right to send good men into this situation. They are going to do what they have to do to stay alive and complete the mission you sent them to do. If you can’t back them up, you have no right to send them in the first place.

His life is on the line. All he asks from you is to not flake on him.


4 posted on 12/08/2008 9:13:26 AM PST by marron
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Can anyone identify the statutes that allows federal (not military) prosecution for alleged crimes committed in countries other than the US and gives the US govt. jurisdiction for actions of individuals outside of the country.


5 posted on 12/08/2008 9:13:58 AM PST by 1L
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My fear is that, like the Haditha Marines, the US government wants to throw these Blackwater guards under the bus in a twisted attempt to foster “good will” among the Iraqi politicians and appease domestic Democrats. The deck is stacked. These guys are toast. If I was one of these guys I might have chosen to disappear rather than turn myself in.


6 posted on 12/08/2008 9:19:20 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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I support BW and the brothers within!

You are aware Blackwater's thrown these guys under a bus, right?

9 posted on 12/08/2008 9:32:52 AM PST by gdani
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God Bless those brave American Men! It seems their leaders have abandoned them...


10 posted on 12/08/2008 9:34:02 AM PST by Camel Joe ("All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others"- The Pigs)
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Guess you will have to be satisfied with a "presumption of innocence" until the trial has concluded.

Seems to me that the Defense was smart enough to push this into a jurisdiction where the jury pool probably will be much more conservative.

12 posted on 12/08/2008 9:42:05 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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On general principles, I will continue to back the Blackwater contractors involved in this incident. If one or more of these men did go rogue, I would want that to come to light. It is imperitive to me, that the innocent are not smeared or blamed for the actions of one or two team members who may have veered from standard policies.

I will keep an open mind on this, but I am also going to be keeping as good an eye on it as I can, so that these guys don’t get railroaded.


16 posted on 12/08/2008 11:08:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (I see that Kenya's favorite son has a new weekly Saturday morning radio show.)
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They all surrendered in Salt Lake City, even though only one of them was/is a Utah resident. I hope that means they will be tried here, where they will get as patriotic and sympathetic a jury as they could find anywhere.

Paul Cassell, one of their lawyers, is very smart. Arrogant — but very smart. He is a former federal judge. I wish him and his clients the best.


22 posted on 12/08/2008 1:35:42 PM PST by lady lawyer
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/popup?id=3665443&contentIndex=1&page=6&start=false


25 posted on 12/08/2008 2:23:02 PM PST by panthermom
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