Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment
Are you so delusional that the Republicans won’t be blamed when all that stuff happens anyway?
They are already lining up the “bad economy Obama was handed by Bush” mantra.
Look if Obama was born in Hawaii, and I think he was. The guy bringing this case thought he was, there is no case. I am absolutely against changing what constitutes a natural born American. This case was all about getting rid of Obama and really has nothing to do with the constitution. Whether his Mother took him to wherever and whatever happened...he was born on US soil period. It’s over. If you truly support the constitution, accept it and wage the good fight for the next election.
Republicans will be blamed- no doubt. But if all the sudden we had no President Elect, it would get much worse...and the consequences to Repubs would be much worse.
He was elected by the MSM. They swept him into office. 99% of people voting for him knew virtually nothing about him, only what the media wanted them to hear, all just wonderful, great change & hope, he was the Second Coming. He won’t even show his birth certificate. Produced a fake on the net which gullible people think is the real thing.
It wasn't politics. It was practicality. As Einstein remarked, it is foolish to keep repeating what you've done before, expecting the outcome to be different.
John / Billybob
How about planning for future elections? Run good candidates-do what you have to in order to win back voters. The GOP is not owed votes, they must earn them. Most people on this board do not believe the GOP has governed properly neither did the electorate. There is going to be pain and things we hate. This should motivate us to get back in the game.
Its not me who is disagreeing. I am merely stating what the requirements have always been to get into court. Don't shoot the messenger, because you don't like the message.
In order to have standing you must be able to allege in injury greater than the rest of us. If you are just one of 360 million people claiming injury, you lack standing. This not my opinion - I am merely telling the law. The purpose of the law is to prevent groups from tying up the legal system by filing countless lawsuits. In 2000, the court dismissed a couple of private citizens lawsuits against against Bush for the same reason of no standing.
The “beyond any reasonable doubt” standard of proof would not apply to these cases.
The burden of proof in civil (not criminal) cases is a preponderance of the evidence- a mere tipping of the scales.
In some cases, depending on the nature of the claim, the standard is “clear and convincing” evidence.
Both of those standards are less burdensome than “beyond any reasonable doubt”.
You’re a liar. If you had been ‘on this since the election’ you would have known Donofrio v Wells was not about a birth certificate. Crawl back into your hidey hole.
This is just propaganda to try to make Obama look more like a centrist.
"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
If you wish to maintain the allegation that Obama was born "out of the country" (for which you offer no proof), then you'd have to consider subsection 7 of the same act:
"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
(b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States at birth under paragraph (7) of subsection (a), shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless he shall come to the United States prior to attaining the age of twenty-three years and shall immediately following any such coming be continuously physically present in the United State(s) for at least five years: Provided, That such physical presence follows the attainment of the age of fourteen years and precedes the age of twenty-eight years.
I believe Obama's mother was born on an Army base in in 1942, making her a citizen under the provisions of The Act of March 16, 1956, (70 Stat. 50). Barack was born in 1961.
So even in this event, how would he not be a citizen within the meaning of the Act?
if only the justices would read freerepublic...
/mark
Thank you President George W. Bush for your SCOTUS appointments. Clearly they did a lot of good in changing the make-up of the court.
LOL!
Apparently, there is also “native born,” a third type. John McCain, for example, was not native born. He was, however, natural born.
A couple of questions for you...
I understand that, in a civil case, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff, just as in a criminal case the burden lays on the prosecution. In the case of an applicant for a position, isn’t the burden on the applicant, and not on the employer? I’m not a lawyer, nor well versed in legalese, so I ask out of simple ignorance.
Also, in a civil case, isn’t the burden the “preponderence of evidence”, as opposed to “beyond a reasonable doubt”? In this specific instance, there is no evidence presented in the affirmative for Obama (IMO), because he refuses to provide any.
Thanks in advance for any answers you may be able to give.
I campaigned for McCain in Ohio. people had heard about Rev. Wright, Ayers etc-all of it They did not care. Ohio is hurting; when McCain went to Michigan and said. ‘these jobs aren’t coming back’ it was over in the Mid West. I don’t like McCain, but he is a Republican. Republicans slammed the door in my face after yelling at me about trade agreements, bail outs, the economy.
There were signs all over ‘Repubs for Obama’. My town is one of those Repub areas in Ohio. I have to tell you, the way Pres. Bush is acting lately like his job is done is making people even madder. If things don’t change I might vote for a third party candidate next time. The GOP must get their act together now and plan for the future-solve problems people care about. Drop the BC stuff and move on.
The Gov is a friend of Palin, she introduced her at the GOP convention
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