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Emergency Preparedness (year's supply of food, 72 hour kit)
9-15-2001 | Utah Girl

Posted on 12/07/2008 8:09:30 AM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound

Note: Utah wrote this article and posted on FR 9-15-2001. I believe it is timely to present this as I have had some disturbing informations regarding what the short and long future may look like in respect to the economic condition of our country.

It always pay to be prepared!

Sen Jack S. Fogbound

Emergency Preparedness (year's supply of food, 72 hour kit)

The LDS Church who believes strongly in self reliance. Spencer W. Kimball, one of the deceased presidents of this church said, "No true Latter-day Saint, while physically or emotionally able, will voluntarily shift the burden of his own or his family's well-being to someone else... Maintain a year's supply. The Lord has urged that his people save for the rainy days, prepare for the difficult times, and put away for emergencies, a year's supply or more of bare necessities so that when comes the flood, the earthquake, the famine, the hurricane, the storms of life, our families can be sustained through the dark days... I am not howling calamity, but I fear that a great majority of our young people, never having known calamity, depression, hunger, homelessness, joblessness, cannot conceive of such situations..."

I just wanted to share some things that my church and family has done to be prepared. This is a list of a year's supply of food storage that can be gathered in one year. It is very flexible. I have the basics in my home, along with some "luxuries" in my food storage and preparedness are. If a calamity strikes, I think I will be prepared and will also be able to share with others. If you have any questions, please let me know. I'm going to try to post once a month (or sooner if requested) on this preparedness topic.

The Relief Society in my ward (it is the women's organization of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) has a lesson once a month on the first Tuesday of each month. The first part of that meeting is Family Preparedness. We cover many topics such as food storage, financial preparation, disaster awareness, first aid, etc. The lady in charge gets information on storing food, how to read dates on cans, where to buy in bulk. Usually every month she will make arrangements so that we can buy something in bulk (beans, dry milk, dried potatoes, etc.) In November we will be canning salsa and jumbleberry jam at the local cannery. Anyway, here is the list.

And a couple of other suggestions that I have found helpful. Make sure to buy food that you and your family will eat. Rotate through the food, don't just buy it and store it. When I go to the grocery now, I'll buy a case of something (fancy fruit cocktail, ravioli, beets, sweetened condensed milk.) If you don't have the money monthly to follow this plan, just pick up an extra can of something. Try to do what you can within your financial resources. NOTES: Personally I don't recommend buying those dehydrated foods for your whole food storage. You'll need a heck of a lot of water, plus how will you know if you like them until you've tried them? And it is extremely expensive.

Food storage calculator

January

Provident Living Goal---review your retirement goals. Are you putting enough aside to be able to support yourselves and to do the things you want to do when you retire? Also change the batteries in your smoke alarms.

Storage Goal: 24 cans of meat or fish per person 1 gallon bleach per person can opener garbage bags laundry detergent

72 hour kit: Gather a change of clothing including underwear and shoes for each family member--include warm coats and boots, or have them immediately accessible. ax, shovel and bucket utility knife $20.00 cash $5.00 in change for phone ********************

February

Provident Living Goal---plan and carry out a family meeting on home fires. Include planning an escape route and practicing it.

Storage Goal: 100 pounds (total) pasta & flour per person hand grain mill thread, needles, buttons, and zippers

72 hour kit: 1 gallon water per person scriptures (Bible) personal documents--genealogical records, wills, passports, insurance, contracts, birth certificates, etc. $25.00 cash

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March

Provident Living Goal---Learn a new skill or read a book pertaining to your career.

Storage Goal: 50 cans of soup, stew or chili per person 5 pounds of salt per person 20 pounds fat, oil or shortening per person aluminum foil, plastic wrap, storage bags, etc. At least 5 gallons water per person--recommended is 14 gallons / person for 2 weeks

72 hour kit: 1 pound dried fruit or trail mix per person (can use fruit leather) 1 package soda crackers per person (4 per box) 1 package graham crackers per person (4 per box) 2 liters tomato or orange juice per person (Note: these items will be rotated every 6 months-see Sept) ALSO make a goal to always have the fuel tanks on ALL vehicles at least half full. ***************************

April

Provident Living Goal---If you normally do not grow a garden, plan to grow at least one vegetable this year. if you already have a garden either 1)grow a vegetable you haven't tried before OR 2) try a new method or technique this year.

Storage Goal: 2 pounds yeast per person 2 pounds baking powder per person 1 pound soda per person 1 gal vinegar per person 10 cans evaporated milk per person 10 pounds peanut butter per person spices, condiments and vanilla

72 hour kit: 4 granola bars per person 2 sticks beef jerky per person 1 package chewing gum per person hard candies or lollipops--at least 12 per person (note these items will be rotated every 6 months--see Oct.)

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May

Provident Living Goal---Make a goal and plan to exercise regularly.

Storage Goal: 100 pounds variety of cereal grains-rice, oatmeal, cornmeal, etc. per person 24 rolls paper towels per person 24 packages flavored gelatin per person garden seeds At least one month prescription ahead for all doctor prescribed medication.

72 hour kit: battery powered radio battery powered light batteries

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June

Provident Living Goal---Make a goal to have 6 months wages in savings for emergencies. Write out a realistic plan to make it happen.

Storage Goal: First aid kit--should include scissors, knife, thermometer, measuring cup, medicine dropper, hot water bottle, triangular bandages, soap, matches, razor blades, needles, safety pins, adhesive tape, elastic bandages, sanitary napkins (excellent compresses), paper bags, gauze bandages, bicarbonate of soda, Ipecac syrup (induces vomiting), ammonia, hydrogen peroxide, calamine lotion (insect bites and sunburn), rubbing alcohol, diarrhea remedy, antibiotic ointment, first aid instruction book, prescription medication, waterproof matches.

72 hour kit: Container for holding kit. Large garbage cans with wheels OR a back pack for each family member recommended. Find a place in your home that is easily accessible for storing the kit. You need to be able to grab it at a moment's notice to leave your home. Note: Your first aid kit is also part of the 72 hour kit. Note: your 72 hour kit is also part of your general storage, but your general storage CANNOT be part of your 72 hour kit. When you need it there may not be time to gather it together for transport.

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July

Provident Living Goal---Make a goal to eat healthier. For example: less sweets, more fresh fruits and veggies, less meat, more fiber etc.

Storage Goal: 50 pounds sugar or honey per person 10--#10 cans (35 pounds total) powdered milk per person 2 toothbrushes per person toothpaste mouthwash infant needs-formula, baby food, diapers, Tylenol etc.

72 hour kit: Prepare blankets (the silver foil ones) gather items to entertain your family and include in kit--UNO cards, coloring books and crayons, x-stitch kit etc. Be sure to include paper and pencils. camp stove or portable BBQ and fuel mosquito repellant $25 cash

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August

Provident Living Goal---Learn to preserve food in a way you haven't tried before.

Storage Goal: 100 quarts fruit and or vegetables per person 24 pints jam or jelly per person feminine needs school supplies pet supplies

72 hour kit: 1 can tuna per person 1 can pork and beans per person 1/2 pound dried milk per person 2 packets hot chocolate mix per person (or 1 large can per family). 2 instant soup packets per person (these should be rotated every year) disposable plates, cups, bowls and flatware pet supplies-be sure to include dishes, leash and extra water

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September

Provident Living Goal---Review your will if you have one. Make any needed changes. If you do not have a will, make arrangements to get one. EVERY Adult should have a will. Plan and carry out a FHE on the importance of preparedness.

Storage Goal: 10--#10 cans (35 pounds total) powdered milk per person 25 pounds canned or dried potatoes per person 50 quarts fruit or tomato juice per person

72 hour kit: 1 pound dried fruit or trail mix per person (can use fruit leather) 1 package soda crackers per person (4 per box) 1 package graham crackers per person (4 per box) 2 liters tomato or orange juice per person (Note: these items will be rotated every 6 months-see March) **********************************

October

Provident Living Goal---Make a goal to read 30 minutes/day to your children or grandchildren. If you have not children to read to, make a goal to read at least 30 minutes/day just for pleasure.

Storage Goal: 50 cans soup, stew or chili per person 10 pounds cheese--dried or bottled per person shaving supplies dish soap

72 hour kit: 4 granola bars per person 2 sticks beef jerky per person 1 package chewing gum per person hard candies or lollipops--at least 12 per person (note these items will be rotated every 6 months--see April) Check batteries for light and radio. Replace if needed.

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November

Provident Living Goal---Make a goal to reduce your family garbage by recycling more.

Storage Goal: 100 pounds wheat per person 1 #10 can juice mix with vitamin C per person Hand/shower soap light bulbs At least one month prescription ahead for all doctor prescribed medication.

72 hour kit: soap toothbrushes and toothpaste shaving supplies infant needs feminine needs disinfectant aluminum foil

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December

Provident Living Goal---Review your insurance coverage, life, household, vehicle. Do you have enough? Could you replace your vehicle or household foods with the coverage you have?

Storage Goal: 40 pounds dried beans per person matches candles batteries

72 hour kit: garbage bags candles matches can opener

It's very important for us as human beings to be self-reliant. Included in this folder is a program to assist you to get a years supply of emergency food, 72 hour kit, spiritual goals and provident living goals. ********************************

Water Needs

Water storage is by far the most important area of preparedness.

You can live for quite a long time without food, but only about 3 days without water. The Fema (Federal Emergency Management Agency) recommends 14 gallons of water per person for a two week period. That may seem like quite a lot, but it is only a gallon a day for drinking, cooking, and washing needs. The agency recommends at least 14 day supply.

There are some hidden places in your home that have usable water. One is the hot water heater. Turn it off and open the drain at the bottom of the heater. Make sure the gas is off, and the pilot light is out! Another source is the toilet tank. Not the bowl, the tank of water that goes into the bowl in a flush. You can use that water as long as you don't use an automatic bowl cleaner in it. I would still add bleach to it, just to be on the safe side.

There are many ways to store water. There are containers that you can buy especially for storing. These can be found in some super markets, and hardware stores. Try on line if you can't find them in your area. They come in different sizes. The ones that I have seen are galloon, 15 gallon, and 55 gallon blue barrels. The barrels work best with a pump, purchases separately, for about $10. You can use heavy plastic juice containers, washed well with hot water and soap. You can use liter pop bottles as well. Do not use glass containers, bleach bottles, metal containers, milk bottles, or water already in milk bottle like containers. These are made to decompose and will leak all over your storage room (personal experience!).

ALL water obtained from out of doors is subject to contamination for dirt, bacteria or other nasty things. First it must be clarified and then cleaned of all physical impurities such as dirt and debris. Then it must be disinfected or made safe from biohazardous materials. No home method of water treatment can guarantee safety of the water. Certain water treatment methods described below can deduce the risks involved, but emergency treatment of water cannot guarantee safety of the water. Devices that are sold with a claim that they can purify any water should be avoided because they will not work as claimed.

Clarification

Settling: This is the easiest method to remove most debris, including radioactive fallout from water. To let water settle merely let it stand in a container, totally undisturbed for 12 to 24 hours. This will allow any sediment to sink to the bottom of the container. A handful of clay soil in each gallon of water will help speed this process. Since it takes so long to settle it is advisable to use a large container for this purpose, like a tough tote. After settling is complete pour, dip or siphon the clean water to another container, being careful not to stir up the sludge at the bottom. Discard the sludge and then purify water.

Hose Siphoning

Take a six or eight foot section of garden hose and stuff two cottontails in one end. Place that end into a container of your dirty water. Then suck on the other end until water starts to come through. Then place the that end into a container placed below the dirty water. Gravity will pull the water from the higher container into the lower container while trapping sediment in the cotton balls. When the balls are clogged simply remove and replace. This will clean about one quart per thirty minutes. However, if the water is really muddy the cotton balls will have to be replaced very frequently.

Coffee Filters

Place three or four filters (one inside the other) into a mason jar and let the edges stick out over the mouth of the jar. Then screw the lid on over the edge of the filters. Pour the water into the filters. The water will drip into the jar. When the filters become clogged, replace them. This type of filter will clean approximately one quart of very dirty water per two hours.

Purification

Boiling: Water sterilization by boiling is preferred over any method of chemical disaffection because disease causing microorganisms cannot survive the heat of a sterilizing boil. If water is cloudy, only heat sterilization can be fully relied upon to assure complete destruction of these organisms. Bring the water to a rolling boil for *10 minutes, then adding one minute for each 1000 feet of elevation.

Chlorine: Liquid household chlorine bleach can be used to purify water provided the label says that it contains hypochlotie as its ONLY active ingredient. Do NOT use granular or powdered forms of household bleach, they are poisonous!! Add 2 drops of bleach per quart or 8 drops per gallon and let stand for 30 minutes. If the water doesn't taste and smell of chlorine at that point, add another dose and let stand for 15 minutes. If the water is cloudy you may double the dosage. Liquid bleach loses strength over time. In one years storage you must put in double the amount of bleach as new bleach. Two year old bleach must not be used. It is not potent enough to kill bacteria. After adding bleach to water, stir and let stand for 30 minutes. Bleach is totally ineffective against GIARDIA and other hardy forms of protozoa. USE BOILING TO REMOVE THESE if they are suspected.

Iodine Tablets-- these are very effective against all forms of bacteria, however they are less effective against GIARDIA. Iodine tablets usually have a relatively short shelf life, losing 20% effectiveness in just six months. They are also sensitive to heat and light. They turn color from gray to yellow as they become less potent. The usual dose is one tablet per quart of clear water and two for cloudy. Let stand for 30 minutes before use.

Regardless of the method of chemically disinfecting water, always double the dosage for cloudy water. If the water temperature is cold, below 45 degrees, let it stand for one hour before using it.

Be sure to have some water on hand in case of any emergency. You will need it mostly for drinking, but also to wash up a bit and keep utensils clean. Be sure to at least to have 1 gallon per person and a take week supply of actual clean water is recommended. You can live for much longer without food than without water.

NOTE: Water is the hardest thing to store. I have 3 55 gallon containers of water, plus about 20 2 liter pop bottles of water. Not enough, but room is a concern. Just make sure to have enough bleach or iodine on hand to sterilize the water. Any time I get an empty soda bottle, I rinse it out, and fill it with water. I don't drink soda pop, but at family parties or work parties, I'll gather up the empty ones to use.

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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

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361 posted on 12/08/2008 12:57:22 AM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: blam

Thanks blam!


362 posted on 12/08/2008 1:03:49 AM PST by JDoutrider (Heading to Galt's Gulch... It is time.)
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To: panaxanax
The last I heard from him I think he was choking on something.

I wasn't choking. I was laughing....at Internet keyboard heroes.

363 posted on 12/08/2008 3:32:40 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Gabz

Thanks!

Um...guess I’d better read this, LOL! We have 8-10” of snow coming in the next 48 hours. *SIGH*

So much for selling Christmas Trees this week. Grrrrr!

I have a “Tornado Kit” which also doubles as a “Blizzard Kit” if you add your boots, hats and mittens to the mix. ;)


364 posted on 12/08/2008 7:08:34 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ('Taking the moderate path of appeasement leads to abysmal defeat.' - Rush on 11/05/08)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I will NOT be telling my daughter about your predicted snowfall. She has be driving us nuts wanting snow.

BTW, and OT, our church’s Living Nativity float came in 3rd place in the Christmas Parade Saturday night. To brag upon myself, I must say I was extremely pleased with the Mary and Joseph costumes as well as the shepherd and wisemen head pieces I created.

My project today, when i return from the store is to make a colonial style “cap” for Jax for tonight’s Christmas concert at school. I have the rest of the outfit, borrowed from a friend, but it is missing the hat, thankfully I have a sketch of what it is supposed to look like.

Can you imagine that — a town sponsored Christmas Parade and a Christmas concert in a public school? The total PC of the left has not totally infiltrated this little slice of middle of nowhere America!!!


365 posted on 12/08/2008 7:21:54 AM PST by Gabz (Is a sarcasm tag really needed?)
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To: KarlInOhio

yup.. mountain house was out of stock in our local prep store here for a while.. but its back in stock now.

That reminds me, I need to take a trip over there and see whats new today :)


366 posted on 12/08/2008 7:22:06 AM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Gabz

Congrats on your win! Tell Jax I’ll throw a snowball toward the East for her later today, LOL!

There is a Christmas DVD coming your way from your Wish List...DH mailed it Saturday, I think. :)

“The total PC of the left has not totally infiltrated this little slice of middle of nowhere America!”

That’s why I LOVE the company I work for. They don’t care if we say, “Merry Christmas” to customers, and they pulled their advertising dollars from local Public Television.

What’s not to love? :)


367 posted on 12/08/2008 7:28:55 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ('Taking the moderate path of appeasement leads to abysmal defeat.' - Rush on 11/05/08)
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To: Vendome

“waste of money. I have a very high income and only stock essentials. They are high in nutrition, low cost, familiar to anyone and portable.

Those prepackaged deals are great if you live on an estate and have space but the food is not as versatile to the many situations you find yourself in.

I have been in floods, slides, overflowing rivers, washed roads(only two miles to the highway), tornadoes, hail and fires. Oklahoma, California and Nevada.”

“Not good to have fancy stuff. Hitech that lowers weight and provides more bang, yes. But, MRE’s are bulky and do not compare to simple foods like beans and corn.”


I don’t get it, if money is no issue why not have powdered eggs and blueberry pancakes and ham/cheese potatoes to go along with the wheat and corn and rice. The primitive foods will take more water,fuel, and time and effort to prepare and they will wreak havoc on our bodies (a sudden diet of wheat and beans).

To me ham and eggs in dried form is easier and more familiar and easier to transport than my wheat and my wheat grinder. Most of us use fancy packaged foods for camping and in our car kits, we don’t carry dried lentils and rice.

I like MREs for instance, if I were rich I would buy huge supplies of them and then pass them on every 10 years or so, or find more storage to keep the old ones as well.

If I had staff to grind wheat for me and hunt the wood to bake fresh bread for me and such then a stock of only raw foods would be fine, but for me I would prefer to (mostly)think of the raw foods as my supplementary and deep, deep (post apocalyptic) survival stocks.


368 posted on 12/08/2008 9:07:28 AM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Vendome

“waste of money. I have a very high income and only stock essentials. They are high in nutrition, low cost, familiar to anyone and portable.

Those prepackaged deals are great if you live on an estate and have space but the food is not as versatile to the many situations you find yourself in.

I have been in floods, slides, overflowing rivers, washed roads(only two miles to the highway), tornadoes, hail and fires. Oklahoma, California and Nevada.”

“Not good to have fancy stuff. Hitech that lowers weight and provides more bang, yes. But, MRE’s are bulky and do not compare to simple foods like beans and corn.”


I don’t get it, if money is no issue why not have powdered eggs and blueberry pancakes and ham/cheese potatoes to go along with the wheat and corn and rice. The primitive foods will take more water,fuel, and time and effort to prepare and they will wreak havoc on our bodies (a sudden diet of wheat and beans).

To me ham and eggs in dried form is easier and more familiar and easier to transport than my wheat and my wheat grinder. Most of us use fancy packaged foods for camping and in our car kits, we don’t carry dried lentils and rice.

I like MREs for instance, if I were rich I would buy huge supplies of them and then pass them on every 10 years or so, or find more storage to keep the old ones as well.

If I had staff to grind wheat for me and hunt the wood to bake fresh bread for me and such then a stock of only raw foods would be fine, but for me I would prefer to (mostly)think of the raw foods as my supplementary and deep, deep (post apocalyptic) survival stocks.


369 posted on 12/08/2008 9:07:29 AM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: ansel12

I have powdered eggs, potatos, Ramen, MRE’s, etc. I was trying to be helpful with people who may not know what they should prioritize.

If I could not get to deli or grocery store then I would probably go through the prepared foods first. I am like anyone who would want a tasty meal.

But if I had to leave my home and prioritize food stuffs, the MRE’s would get left behind. Pound for pound rice, beans, wheat, flour, Pine nuts deliver more calories and nutrition. They will go a lot farther and They also are not as bulky.

As far as water, this is the most important element you need to worry about and you are rightly concerned about them. The freeze dried food also requires water. But get this, eating animal proteins requires 3 times more water, from your body, to digest than plant based foods.

Both processes require water, one requires less demand from your body.

I learned how to fend for myself when I was very yound. We raised chickens, goats, rabbits. Had small gardens. Even hunting and fishing.

from a space for storage and financial perspective prepared foods are just difficult.

BTW, never tell anyone you have prepared in advance. When they run out they will come to your house beggin and you cannot afford the conflict.


370 posted on 12/08/2008 9:33:31 AM PST by Vendome
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To: editor-surveyor

The word treasure here seems to mean just that - treasure, precious things, things laid up in a treasury. Seems to me Jesus refers to frivolous wealth, not basic needs. As the chapter continues, those verses about “thought” are, in my opinion, clearly about worry, which we are certainly instructed not to do. The definition of the word thought there is “to be anxious.”

With that in mind, consider this -

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


371 posted on 12/08/2008 9:53:32 AM PST by agrace
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To: Vendome

By the way my experience with Ramen soups is that they have a pretty short shelf life, that little broth packet gets old pretty fast.

In the army I wanted MREs, we would open the bags to pick the foods that gave us the best weight to calorie balance, The MRE foods tasted better but weighed slightly more than the dehydrated LRRP rations of the past.

If we could have, we probably would have purchased stuff like the backpacking meals from AlpinAire. We never wanted to carry wheat or dry rice.

I’m into the whole survivalist thing, I grind wheat, sprout wheat, I can make wheat grass, have hundreds of pounds of wheat in #10 cans, I can pinto beans, have various water filters, an elaborate library of survival and 1800s home skills books etc., but a well heeled freeper that just wants a years supply of food for security and doesn’t want a PHD in survival should just order those great tasting, lightweight, well packaged, long shelf life, foods from one of the big companies.

If I lived in a small apartment or condo and made a good living, I would much prefer buying a high quality meal plan for long term storage than doing it my way with the bulk sales, rotating canned peas and spam and so on, for one thing to rotate it you have to eat it which is fine for me, but a lot of people have much healthier diets of fresh vegetables and fresh fish and have zero use for using supplies of salty canned vegetables and canned tuna, and three year old pasta and rice.

As much as we survival types like the subject I think that an important goal is to get new people to take the first step and just get their feet wet with some basic things that they can purchase when the interest strikes them, and that they will still have stuck away in a closet when that passing interest has moved on.

Survival practices are not an ongoing interest for most people, so they should have nice, neat, little survival stores that don’t need much attention, or maintenance, or practice and knowledge to use, the wealthy can afford that luxury and they should be made aware that it exists.


372 posted on 12/08/2008 10:15:26 AM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Gabz

I think you’re right - I bought tuna with oil by mistake a while back and after eating tuna in water since it became available years ago, I was surprised to find the tuna in oil tasted better.


373 posted on 12/08/2008 10:15:33 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

I forget exxactly why I switched to tuna in water, probably around the same time as you did, and like you picked up a can in oil my mistake one day. I haven’t bought it in water since.


374 posted on 12/08/2008 10:26:49 AM PST by Gabz (Is a sarcasm tag really needed?)
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To: ansel12

Yeah, just try some different ways of thinking about food and how to store and prepare according to your specific needs.

Just think about the future and what would it mean if you did not understand how a little beef/chicken stock will help flavor foods you prepare.

I Like your post.


375 posted on 12/08/2008 10:52:07 AM PST by Vendome
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To: Gabz
"I forget exxactly why I switched to tuna in water, probably around the same time as you did, and like you picked up a can in oil my mistake one day. I haven’t bought it in water since."

It's healthier or precieved to be healthier...that's why I go with water instead of oil.

376 posted on 12/08/2008 11:07:59 AM PST by blam
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bfl


377 posted on 12/08/2008 1:05:24 PM PST by TexasAg
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To: Gabz

Most of the 70s survivalists were Mormons.

I can “head for the hills without the suitcase” easily, since we have a ranch in the Sierra that is fully equipped. That is not the real issue WRT what I posted. There is something wired into most of us that inclines us to want to “rough it.” That’s ok, but don’t let it take control of your life.


378 posted on 12/08/2008 4:30:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: editor-surveyor
Most of the 70s survivalists were Mormons.

If you say so....and even so, so what?

I can “head for the hills without the suitcase” easily, since we have a ranch in the Sierra that is fully equipped.

Well bully for you.

That is not the real issue WRT what I posted.

Oh yes it is, since you are the one who quoted scripture about doing such things. Starting at post 199. In post 203 you were reasonable and sensible and then you blew it in post 205.

There is something wired into most of us that inclines us to want to “rough it.”

My idea of "roughing it" is a motel without an attached restaurant or room service, and most people I know have a similar attitude. And that is just the folks I know who live out in the rural nowhere land where I live, I won't even discuss my city friends and acquaintances.

That’s ok, but don’t let it take control of your life.

Where you see such an attitude on this thread is totally beyond me. All I have seen is a group of folks discussing being prepared for various scenarios.

You, on the other hand found fault with others who make preparations claiming they are going against scripture, all the while being prepared yourself for a possible natural (or manmade) disaster. That is more than just a bit hypoctritical in my book.

379 posted on 12/08/2008 5:13:15 PM PST by Gabz (Is a sarcasm tag really needed?)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Most of the 70s survivalists were Mormons.”


I would like to see your evidence for that, I considered myself a part of the survivalist movement then and I never read or heard about it.


380 posted on 12/08/2008 7:32:38 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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