Posted on 12/06/2008 9:43:49 PM PST by pissant
The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, an unhinged demagogue on the political fringe who lost a senate election to the then unknown Obama by 42 points should be a warning in itself.
This tempest over whether Obama, the child of an American citizen, was born on American soil is tantamount to the Democrats' seditious claim that Bush "stole" the election in Florida and hence was not the legitimate president. This delusion helped to create the Democrats' Bush derangement syndrome and encouraged Democratic leaders to lie about the origins of the Iraq War, and regard it as illegitimate as Bush himself. It became "Bush's War" rather than an American War with destructive consequences for our troops and our cause.
The Birth Certificate zealots are essentially arguing that 64 million voters should be disenfranchised because of a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil. (McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone, which is no longer American.)
What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?
Conservatives are supposed to respect the organic nature of human societies. Ours has been riven by profound disagreements that have been deepening over many years. We are divided not only about political facts and social values, but also about what the Constitution itself means. The crusaders on this issue choose to ignore these problems and are proposing to deny the will of 64 million voters by appealing to 5 Supreme Court Justices (since no one is delusional enough to think that the 4 liberal justices are going to take the presidency away from Obama). What kind of conservatism is this?
It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country's economy and defending its citizens, and -- by the way -- its Constitution.
I don’t say the issue should be swept under the rug. I think there should be a defined answer. I would like to see that before the Inauguration..he either is or is not eligible for the office and if not then let’s not have a constitutional crisis after he is sworn in as President.
Sorry, it does not mean squat. Either you go by the constitution or you don’t.
Why don’t they let us in on it then. Why are they acting like the MSM?
Too many errors to count. We’re not doubting the moon landing here...we just need proof of qualifications, which can easily be provided.
Trust but verify.
David, if I hired an illegal alien, “I assumed he had a green card, but didn’t bother to make him show it to me” would not fly. As the employer, I am responsible for checking his status. Well, aren’t we all Obama’s employers? Don’t we have a responsibility to make sure he has met the qualifications.
The only conservative you mentioned is Limbaugh. The rest don’t know what they are from one minute to the next.
Listen, Horowitz... the drafters of the constitution envisioned a time when some smooth talking foreigner would bamboozle the dumb ass American retards into voting for someone who has foreign interests in mind. MILLIONS OF VOTES to elect a bad guy. Well, conversioner... it just happened a Kenyian Muslim with a secret background and a secret agenda and the good citizens of the United States just elected him because he's cute.
We need the protection of the constitution or we don;t have a constitution. So.... can we now buy slaves again? Can we stop paying taxes? Do the states no longer have the right to regulate the sale of liquor? Read the constitution before its gone.
Horowitz... STFU!
Too many errors to count. We’re not doubting the moon landing here...we just need proof of qualifications, which can easily be provided.
Trust but verify.
David, if I hired an illegal alien, “I assumed he had a green card, but didn’t bother to make him show it to me” would not fly. As the employer, I am responsible for checking his status. Well, aren’t we all Obama’s employers? Don’t we have a responsibility to make sure he has met the qualifications.
“McCain narrowly escaped the problem by being born in the Panama Canal zone”
sigh... McCain was born in Panama in 1936, at a time when the State Department and the Hay-Bunau Treaty, which granted the U.S. access to the Panama Canal Zone, specifically stated that the Canal Zone was not sovereign U.S. territory.
Not saying I buy into the birth certificate thing..but still amazed at the ignorance of those dissing it with bad facts.
Kinda makes you wonder if they were conservatives in the first place or just in it for the money and the publicity.
Doesn't mean anything if he was born overseas. Here is the law :
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
She did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. If he was born overseas, not only would he not have "natural born" citizenship, he would not have US citizenship.
By the way, He hasn't been elected yet. That doesn't occur until the 15th when the electoral votes are counted and certified the Senate.
Who would you consider a conservative then, with at least a smidgen of credibility?
And where does that conservative stand on this issue?
“...Gotta be a reason, folks.”
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I guess they ran out of ink.
I’d love to hear their Constitutionally based rationale.
Each one waiting for the other to jump in. Then see if the first in, drowns. (chuckle).
George Noury on Coast to Coast has had on Phillip Berg, a lawyer and a Democrat within the last two weeks. He had a free and uninterupted session on his theory with the birth certificate- or lack of it. George wisely did not say much though- "weird, very weird".
I don’t understand why we are taking the flack for this too. You would think these guys would want to fight for what’s right.
They all work with the Main Stream Media in some capacity is what they have in common. The media overwhelmingly supported Obama.
Horowitz’ argument will be valid if the SCOTUS rules that he is qualified with no further action. But after the B.S. of 2000, and the left’s (and the media’s) attempts to delegitimize the Bush Presidency, I say that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If
I can't believe what I am reading. How can any American even type those words?
Being nice and gentlemanly to liberals never gets anywhere. It emboldens them to be bigger jerks. Look at all the hostile and personal crap that Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and the others shoveled at Bush over 8 years. Have they given him any credit for being a decent guy about it? No. I say let ‘em have it, fast and hard, over Obama’s birth certificate or anything else.
~~Suprised at David Horowitz PING!
“Horowitz’ argument will be valid if the SCOTUS rules that he is qualified with no further action.”
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Right.
But won’t the SCOTUS have to give their rationale for exactly they determined and judged that he is qualified?
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