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Enough with the Oogedy-Boogedy - Religion, politics, and us.
National Review Online ^ | December 05, 2008 | Shannen W. Coffin

Posted on 12/05/2008 10:34:15 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 12/05/2008 10:34:16 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I’m trying to understand Kathleen Parker and why she hated Sarah Palin.

I loved Sarah Palin and called for her to be the VP choice before McLiberal chose her.

If social conservatives don’t understand why there is antipathy towards her, just realize that there are 3 wings to the conservative movement. She is an A+ in in social conservatism, incomplete on foreign policy conservatism and an F on economic conservatism.


2 posted on 12/05/2008 10:50:42 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: neverdem

There ARE NO RULES for what is allowed in the public square, or what kind of arguments are permitted in election campaigns. If an atheist wishes to bash religion while campaigning for public office, fine. If a Bible-thumping troglodyte wishes to make nothing but Biblically-based arguments during an election campaign fine. If a Catholic wants to campaign waving a Rosary around during all his speeches, fine.

As long as THE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO VOTE for the people they want in public office—guess what?—the people will be SELF-GOVERNING.

John F. Kennedy got it EXACTLY WRONG in his famous speech in 1960, when he promised that “his” religion had no influence on HIS beliefs.

That has been the standard ever since—candidates for public office—well, actually, just those who have a reputation for actually BELIEVING in their religion—have been called upon to promise that their religion is so private, they won’t impose it on themselves.

This SUCKS.

What Kennedy SHOULD have told the ministers is: There is nothing in the Catholic Faith that is a threat to the U.S. Constitution. So you can take your “concerns” about whether a Catholic can serve as President as a loyal American citizen, and shove them.

Instead, Kennedy promised (a promise he kept) to be a bad Catholic in the White House, just as he had been a bad Catholic his entire life. Catholic politicians have been pressured to live up to Kennedy’s standard ever since.


3 posted on 12/05/2008 10:58:06 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: neverdem

Given the dislike of Huckabee among economic conservatives, are folks like David Frum and Kathleen Parker justified in bashing Evanglicals?


4 posted on 12/05/2008 11:01:23 PM PST by yongin (Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
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To: yongin

Yes.


5 posted on 12/05/2008 11:04:48 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: neverdem
Moderates by definition, do not believe in moral absolutes. So conservatives should censor their deepest convictions to get a hearing from them? A fraud shouldn't get one. Kathleen Parker has no problems with liberals making their case heard. She only has a problem with conservatives making one on grounds that inform their core beliefs.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 12/05/2008 11:05:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

read later


7 posted on 12/05/2008 11:35:32 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Parker hated Palin because her husband thought she was hot.


8 posted on 12/06/2008 12:41:28 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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Kathleen Parker is the latest Arianna Huffington (loose in her politically tied principles looking for a Sorosesque sugar-daddy). KP is the new darling of MSNBC.


9 posted on 12/06/2008 12:44:54 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: neverdem
I guess what KP is just trying to say is that religious conservatives are "icky." Think of how much smaller her carbon footprint could have been, and how many trees and electrons could have been saved, if she had just written those 4 words,rather than an entire column.

Mark

10 posted on 12/06/2008 3:35:09 AM PST by MarkL
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To: Arthur McGowan
There ARE NO RULES for what is allowed in the public square

You haven't been to a college campus lately (at least not since the mid-1980s), have you?

Mark

11 posted on 12/06/2008 3:36:34 AM PST by MarkL
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To: neverdem
oogedy-boogedy

Sounds a lot like ooga booga.

From her column:

In the several days since I first used the term in a column describing the Republican party’s “religious” problem, oogedy-boogedy seems to have entered the bloxicon. (New word invented right here, meaning: the blogosphere’s lexicon.) Google produces more than 26,000 references.

Despite its sudden popularity, oogedy-boogedy is nonetheless causing some consternation and confusion. What does it mean and whence does it come? In the Dec. 15 issue of National Review, Ramesh Ponnuru writes that he doesn’t know what oogedy-boogedy means, “but I gather it’s bad.”...

First, to the origins. “Oogedy-boogedy” was bequeathed to me several years ago by my dear, departed friend, political cartoonist Doug Marlette. We were doubtless talking about our shared Southern heritage, about which one does not speak long without mentioning religion.

And, you betcha, oogedy-boogedy.

Sounds horribly racist to me.

The Urban Dictionary has two references:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ooga%20booga%20booga

1. Ooga Booga Booga
A sad but surprisingly affective phrase often used by Eustace to scare the crap out of Courage in the animated cartoon, Courage the Cowardly Dog. When scaring someone using this phrase, be sure to wear a mask larger than your body.

Eustace: Hey ya stupid dog, look what I got for ya'...
Courage: Aru?
*turns around and puts on giant scary mask*
Eustace: OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!!
Courage: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

2. ooga booga booga
2nd most commonly used scare phrase. The first is Boo! Person walks around the corner and out of no where a man pops up and says "Ooga booga booga!"

To me, it sounds like she's trying to connect religious beliefs to witch doctors using 20th century xenophobic hokum.

Ooga Booga also got a smile out of some DUmmies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4450484

(remember the chant from "I can't fight this feeling"?)

12 posted on 12/06/2008 5:28:13 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
and an F on economic conservatism.

No way is/was she an "F". She extols the virtues of spending cuts, she supports free trade, and she want voters to keep more of their own money. Far from an 'F"!

13 posted on 12/06/2008 7:00:22 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: neverdem; AmericanGirlRising

Is there a reason why National Review is still carrying Kathleen Parker? I agree that she’s the next Arianna Huffington. The warning signs with Huffington were when she did the “Strange Bedfellows” segment with Al Frankin on Politically Incorrect and I’m getting the same sort of vibe here.


14 posted on 12/06/2008 7:44:45 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Just please don’t click on links to Parker articles.


15 posted on 12/06/2008 8:29:24 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: Question_Assumptions
re: Is there a reason why National Review is still carrying Kathleen Parker?)))

At best, I have found her utterly unremarkable. Now I actively campaign for FR to not provide her with any hits. It's not like your going to miss a single witty word.

Like most of our conservative pundits, she is probably connected through the ancient "Partisan Review" nexus. They have gotten to decide for too many years who gets to sit in pundit seats.

The internet gives us Malkin, Coulter and writers who have some juice an spirit to them.

16 posted on 12/06/2008 8:49:32 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: neverdem
I hadn’t realized religion and reason were mutually exclusive.

It's good the writer has realized the error. Christianity is to exist in a reverse osmosis chamber surrounded by culture and society - none of the Christianity is to ever escape into public, but the other way is just fine. I also find it interesting that the talk stops at the idea of God. Isn't it closer to the truth to say the Republicans are concerned with Christ and that His teachings should not impact public policy? After all, nearly everyone says they believe in God - even liberals. If they GOP has a 'God problem' it is because of Christ.
17 posted on 12/06/2008 8:53:17 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Go here and pay special attention to the comments from ‘Ace.’ He’s the owner of this blog and an insider.

http://minx.cc/?post=279262


18 posted on 12/06/2008 10:42:22 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: neverdem
But reason, not religion, should inform our public debates.

By gummies! Kathleen Parker, estrogen airhead, is RIGHT!

Reason should inform our public debates!

That's why many Obama voters are confident that Sarah Palin was a good VP pick by Obama, and that the Republicans' deathgrip control of Congress was finally shattered only a month ago.

No, I don't know who Barney Frank is...

19 posted on 12/06/2008 12:11:17 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: AmericanGirlRising
'we already have a Maureen Dowd minus the talent. We call her "Maureen Dowd."'

LOL!

20 posted on 12/06/2008 12:13:32 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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