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Enough with the Oogedy-Boogedy - Religion, politics, and us.
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| December 05, 2008
| Shannen W. Coffin
Posted on 12/05/2008 10:34:15 PM PST by neverdem
December 05, 2008, 1:40 p.m.
Enough with the Oogedy-Boogedy Religion, politics, and us.
By Shannen W. Coffin
Kathleen Parker’s war on religion in the Re-public-an square entered a new phase today. In her syndicated column, she nobly attempted to explain her use of the term “oogedy-boogedy” to describe religious conservatives. It’s not that she is “anti-God.” It’s just that God really shouldn’t be mentioned in polite company. Religion can inform our values (gee, thanks). But reason, not religion, should inform our public debates.
I hadn’t realized religion and reason were mutually exclusive. It seems Pope Benedict hasn’t gotten the memo, either. As he said in his widely misunderstood Regensburg address in 2006:
In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world's profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures.
For many, Republican and Democrat, a belief in the Divine informs reason. So it is a little difficult to remove one from the other.
Parker does not offer a particularly persuasive defense of her position. Why should we exclude certain rationales in defending public policy? The moral opprobrium of the electorate has driven public policy since the Founding, supporting laws against murder and prostitution as readily as laws against trespass and littering.
Take, for instance, the always-heated issue of abortion. Opposition to abortion can, as Parker observes, be explained on the basis of science and reason. Parker is absolutely correct that the writings of Nat Hentoff, a self-professed atheist, are of immeasurable value to the debate (and if you do not believe in an afterlife, there is a great incentive to protect life on earth). But why is it invalid to suggest that faith in an Almighty, life after death, or anything else should also play a role in convincing the great undecided middle? Surely Parker doesn’t think the entirety of the religious debate about abortion revolves around the question of “ensoulment,” does she? Parker claims that “the cause” — implying she has a common one with conservatives — “is not helped when someone of the stature of Rick Warren interviews the leading presidential candidates in his church, questioning them about their faith.” But many who watched the Saddleback forum thought that it was far better than the Commission-sponsored debates, because Warren asked questions that tried to differentiate the candidates on who they were, not on their economic growth-plans. How are we worse off when Rick Warren asks questions that reflect the moral and religious beliefs of a majority of Americans, while leaving the nuts and bolts to Lehrer and Brokaw?
At bottom, the fundamental problem with Kathleen Parker’s argument is that it leaves to Kathleen Parker the decision as to what is too “oogedy-boogedy” for the public square. She even quotes the indecipherable legal standard proffered by Justice Potter Stewart for cases involving pornography: “I know it when I see it.” But a look at the more complete text of Stewart’s “standard” for defining hardcore pornography shows that it was no standard at all: “I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.”
Parker, like Stewart, has failed in intelligibly defining a standard. But she’s failed even more in defending her characterization of the Religious Right as made up of “oogedy-boogedy” fundamentalists who put off moderates.
— Shannen W. Coffin, an attorney in Washington, D.C., is a former Bush administration lawyer.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antitheism; atheistsupremacist; conservativebashing; conservatives; culturewar; godgap; kathleenparker; oogabooga; oogedyboogedy; religion; religiousintolerance; religiousright; rino; socialconservatives
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posted on
12/05/2008 10:34:16 PM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
I’m trying to understand Kathleen Parker and why she hated Sarah Palin.
I loved Sarah Palin and called for her to be the VP choice before McLiberal chose her.
If social conservatives don’t understand why there is antipathy towards her, just realize that there are 3 wings to the conservative movement. She is an A+ in in social conservatism, incomplete on foreign policy conservatism and an F on economic conservatism.
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posted on
12/05/2008 10:50:42 PM PST
by
Eric Blair 2084
(Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
To: neverdem
There ARE NO RULES for what is allowed in the public square, or what kind of arguments are permitted in election campaigns. If an atheist wishes to bash religion while campaigning for public office, fine. If a Bible-thumping troglodyte wishes to make nothing but Biblically-based arguments during an election campaign fine. If a Catholic wants to campaign waving a Rosary around during all his speeches, fine.
As long as THE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO VOTE for the people they want in public office—guess what?—the people will be SELF-GOVERNING.
John F. Kennedy got it EXACTLY WRONG in his famous speech in 1960, when he promised that “his” religion had no influence on HIS beliefs.
That has been the standard ever since—candidates for public office—well, actually, just those who have a reputation for actually BELIEVING in their religion—have been called upon to promise that their religion is so private, they won’t impose it on themselves.
This SUCKS.
What Kennedy SHOULD have told the ministers is: There is nothing in the Catholic Faith that is a threat to the U.S. Constitution. So you can take your “concerns” about whether a Catholic can serve as President as a loyal American citizen, and shove them.
Instead, Kennedy promised (a promise he kept) to be a bad Catholic in the White House, just as he had been a bad Catholic his entire life. Catholic politicians have been pressured to live up to Kennedy’s standard ever since.
To: neverdem
Given the dislike of Huckabee among economic conservatives, are folks like David Frum and Kathleen Parker justified in bashing Evanglicals?
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posted on
12/05/2008 11:01:23 PM PST
by
yongin
(Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
To: yongin
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posted on
12/05/2008 11:04:48 PM PST
by
Eric Blair 2084
(Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
To: neverdem
Moderates by definition, do not believe in moral absolutes. So conservatives should censor their deepest convictions to get a hearing from them? A fraud shouldn't get one. Kathleen Parker has no problems with liberals making their case heard. She only has a problem with conservatives making one on grounds that inform their core beliefs.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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posted on
12/05/2008 11:05:40 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: neverdem
7
posted on
12/05/2008 11:35:32 PM PST
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: Eric Blair 2084
Parker hated Palin because her husband thought she was hot.
8
posted on
12/06/2008 12:41:28 AM PST
by
AmericanGirlRising
(The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
To: All
Kathleen Parker is the latest Arianna Huffington (loose in her politically tied principles looking for a Sorosesque sugar-daddy). KP is the new darling of MSNBC.
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posted on
12/06/2008 12:44:54 AM PST
by
AmericanGirlRising
(The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
To: neverdem
I guess what KP is just trying to say is that religious conservatives are "icky." Think of how much smaller her carbon footprint could have been, and how many trees and electrons could have been saved, if she had just written those 4 words,rather than an entire column.
Mark
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posted on
12/06/2008 3:35:09 AM PST
by
MarkL
To: Arthur McGowan
There ARE NO RULES for what is allowed in the public squareYou haven't been to a college campus lately (at least not since the mid-1980s), have you?
Mark
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posted on
12/06/2008 3:36:34 AM PST
by
MarkL
To: neverdem
oogedy-boogedy Sounds a lot like ooga booga.
From her column:
In the several days since I first used the term in a column describing the Republican partys religious problem, oogedy-boogedy seems to have entered the bloxicon. (New word invented right here, meaning: the blogospheres lexicon.) Google produces more than 26,000 references. Despite its sudden popularity, oogedy-boogedy is nonetheless causing some consternation and confusion. What does it mean and whence does it come? In the Dec. 15 issue of National Review, Ramesh Ponnuru writes that he doesnt know what oogedy-boogedy means, but I gather its bad....
First, to the origins. Oogedy-boogedy was bequeathed to me several years ago by my dear, departed friend, political cartoonist Doug Marlette. We were doubtless talking about our shared Southern heritage, about which one does not speak long without mentioning religion.
And, you betcha, oogedy-boogedy.
Sounds horribly racist to me.
The Urban Dictionary has two references:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ooga%20booga%20booga1. Ooga Booga Booga
A sad but surprisingly affective phrase often used by Eustace to scare the crap out of Courage in the animated cartoon, Courage the Cowardly Dog. When scaring someone using this phrase, be sure to wear a mask larger than your body.
Eustace: Hey ya stupid dog, look what I got for ya'...
Courage: Aru?
*turns around and puts on giant scary mask*
Eustace: OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!!
Courage: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
2. ooga booga booga
2nd most commonly used scare phrase. The first is Boo! Person walks around the corner and out of no where a man pops up and says "Ooga booga booga!"
To me, it sounds like she's trying to connect religious beliefs to witch doctors using 20th century xenophobic hokum.
Ooga Booga also got a smile out of some DUmmies:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4450484
(remember the chant from "I can't fight this feeling"?)
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posted on
12/06/2008 5:28:13 AM PST
by
weegee
(Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
To: Eric Blair 2084
and an F on economic conservatism. No way is/was she an "F". She extols the virtues of spending cuts, she supports free trade, and she want voters to keep more of their own money. Far from an 'F"!
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posted on
12/06/2008 7:00:22 AM PST
by
LowCountryJoe
(Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
To: neverdem; AmericanGirlRising
Is there a reason why National Review is still carrying Kathleen Parker? I agree that she’s the next Arianna Huffington. The warning signs with Huffington were when she did the “Strange Bedfellows” segment with Al Frankin on Politically Incorrect and I’m getting the same sort of vibe here.
To: Eric Blair 2084
Just please don’t click on links to Parker articles.
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posted on
12/06/2008 8:29:24 AM PST
by
Mamzelle
(Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
To: Question_Assumptions
re: Is there a reason why National Review is still carrying Kathleen Parker?)))
At best, I have found her utterly unremarkable. Now I actively campaign for FR to not provide her with any hits. It's not like your going to miss a single witty word.
Like most of our conservative pundits, she is probably connected through the ancient "Partisan Review" nexus. They have gotten to decide for too many years who gets to sit in pundit seats.
The internet gives us Malkin, Coulter and writers who have some juice an spirit to them.
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posted on
12/06/2008 8:49:32 AM PST
by
Mamzelle
(Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
To: neverdem
I hadnt realized religion and reason were mutually exclusive.
It's good the writer has realized the error. Christianity is to exist in a reverse osmosis chamber surrounded by culture and society - none of the Christianity is to ever escape into public, but the other way is just fine. I also find it interesting that the talk stops at the idea of God. Isn't it closer to the truth to say the Republicans are concerned with Christ and that His teachings should not impact public policy? After all, nearly everyone says they believe in God - even liberals. If they GOP has a 'God problem' it is because of Christ.
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posted on
12/06/2008 8:53:17 AM PST
by
AD from SpringBay
(We deserve the government we allow.)
To: Question_Assumptions
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posted on
12/06/2008 10:42:22 AM PST
by
AmericanGirlRising
(The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
To: neverdem
But reason, not religion, should inform our public debates. By gummies! Kathleen Parker, estrogen airhead, is RIGHT!
Reason should inform our public debates!
That's why many Obama voters are confident that Sarah Palin was a good VP pick by Obama, and that the Republicans' deathgrip control of Congress was finally shattered only a month ago.
No, I don't know who Barney Frank is...
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posted on
12/06/2008 12:11:17 PM PST
by
an amused spectator
(I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
To: AmericanGirlRising
'we already have a Maureen Dowd minus the talent. We call her "Maureen Dowd."'
LOL!
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posted on
12/06/2008 12:13:32 PM PST
by
an amused spectator
(I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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