Posted on 12/05/2008 5:18:15 PM PST by Aliska
Indonesia did not demand formal adoption. However, he did use the name Barry Soetoro and then claimed no aliases on his Illinois Bar application. He lied.
“He also made it available to WorldNetDaily and they also concluded it’s authentic.”
Liar.
Provide the quote.
“How about the Hawaii department of public health?
They have already verified that he was born in Honolulu.”
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Not true.
Shoiw me.
No they didn't. Fukino very carefully said that his original BC is on file. There is NOT a direct quote from any Hawaiian official stating that he was born in Hawaii.
Fair enough. I've read so much here and there but don't have it all at the top of my head and chronologically to field each and every response was my intent. Actually, I'd resigned to the whole thing just being a side show when somebody I'd least expect wrote me and sent me a link the night before last, not at all in the spirit of doubting Thomas, was the first they'd heard of it in fact. I'm skeptical by nature about lots of things, but remember how we batted Kerry around. You get so far with something, then you hit a brick wall because what you need is just not out there.
Technically I suppose it could be dubbed a conspiracy, but that is a way of dissing the honest doubters. The secrecy is suspicious but still doesn't prove anything other than he chooses not to let it be known. In some ways, I can understand where he is coming from. Just like Sarah Palin said when she decided to release her medical records. She knew that those who were against her would find something in them to take issue with (my paraphrase).
Interesting point about the truthers. I looked at that awhile back, was tempted to track down a couple of those references but will let it go for now. I'm just not smart enough, don't have the expertise to know for certain that a building will pancake from a fire. I would have thought it would have toppled sideways. One apparently did partly, but I'd better stay away from that. Your point is well taken about catering to those truthers.
That said, I think it is a mistake to try to keep Obama out of office for this.
I won't go quite that far because it's a constitutional matter, but at some point you have to know to let go and move on. Whomever failed, it was from assuming. It can't be helped it has fallen out the way it has. No, I don't want to be a sore loser. He did win big, and that is a fact. Nobody is arguing that even though we know there were some things that didn't add up about the campaign money and possible vote fraud. We accepted that he is president-elect.
But I got jumped on on another thread, "didn't I care about the Constitution?" Yes. But like the other side had to do, at some point I have to accept what is and turn to something else. I do not want to be a whiny sore loser and do not think I have. This came up about 3 months ago now, hit me like a ton of bricks, found it intriguing, unprecedented, and here we are.
I think I can honestly say (although I might not dare say it here) that if the shoe were on the other foot, I would want to get to the bottom of it and would not defend my candidate winning the presidency by possible deception if I came to be convinced that was the case.
Nope. Just like Michelle Malkin and other rational critics of Obama, I oppose kooky conspiracy theories that distract from the real issues I have with the man.
but the reality is...he went by a different last name after he was adopted.
I don't know if that's true. I have seen no credible evidence of it.
His school records show a different name. He was known by a different name. So why doesnt this birth certificate that he showed the world on his website..
Probably because he never changed his legal name and the Indonesian school records you've seen were in error. I don't think those school records have any legal standing in the US.
Why did Obama lie when he applied to the Illinois State Bar about names he had gone by?
There is no evidence he did lie, and I'm inclined to think he didn't. What reason did he have to lie? What would he have to gain?
Don't thow out nasty accusations like that without something to back it up. It's all in this article:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
Answer the question, Bubba
http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=479401
You claim Obama never used the name Barry Soetoro...
bahhahahahahahahha...Obama needs to hire better disrupters.
I want to know what SCOTUS is doing....weren’t they to meet on this subject today?
Not true. Find the quote and you will see that the Obama koolaid drinkers have twisted the wording.
You twit! You posted the evidence of his alias to me claiming it was his BC here. It clearly reads Barry Soetoro. And it's NOT a BC!
Probably because he never changed his legal name and the Indonesian school records you've seen were in error. I don't think those school records have any legal standing in the US.
Either you are clueless or you are a troll.
Okay, you are right about that one. Now tell me why Barry claims he didn’t go by another other names on his Illinois Bar registration.
After he leaves office, he may be subject to charges if evidence surfaces or witnesses come forward establishing fraud.
Perhaps G. Gordon Liddy can obtain the BC. LOL!
Wasn't the statemernt by Richardson strange? I wonder if it's a blurt out or if they are so arrogant they think they can do whatever they want?
LAWYER SEARCH: ATTORNEY REGISTRATION AND PUBLIC DISCIPLINARY RECORD
Under "Full Former Name(s) - None.
I don't think you sound like a sore loser. I think you are being extremely even handed and reasonable. Yes, there is a possibility that this may lead to a constitutional question which must be answered. I will be happy no matter what happens because I am a happy gal. I am just glad that people like you are helping people like me follow this in a way that cannot be construted as some sort of lynch mob. We do not want to be the moral equivilent to the No On 8 crowd.
No he wasn’t! FactCheck is run by Annenberg. Who worked for Annenberg? Ayers and Obama. World Nut Daily bought it but it’s not a BC! And WND did not see the certification of live birth. They only bought Annenbergs lie.
It is ..I posted the direct link.
If Obama manages to completely evade the presentation of his Natural Born bona fides, it's going to be a rockin' and rollin' four years.
Just wait until some military members refuse to obey his orders, or the re-enlistment rate drops to practically zero. There are just so many things that will come undone if he arrogantly continues down this path.
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