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Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die
Salon ^ | December 5, 2008 | Alex Koppelman

Posted on 12/05/2008 5:18:15 PM PST by Aliska

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To: RummyChick

Indonesia did not demand formal adoption. However, he did use the name Barry Soetoro and then claimed no aliases on his Illinois Bar application. He lied.


81 posted on 12/05/2008 7:05:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: curiosity

“He also made it available to WorldNetDaily and they also concluded it’s authentic.”

Liar.

Provide the quote.


82 posted on 12/05/2008 7:05:58 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: curiosity

“How about the Hawaii department of public health?
They have already verified that he was born in Honolulu.”
- - -
Not true.
Shoiw me.


83 posted on 12/05/2008 7:06:25 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: curiosity
How about the Hawaii department of public health? They have already verified that he was born in Honolulu.

No they didn't. Fukino very carefully said that his original BC is on file. There is NOT a direct quote from any Hawaiian official stating that he was born in Hawaii.

84 posted on 12/05/2008 7:08:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Zevonismymuse
No such luck Al.

Fair enough. I've read so much here and there but don't have it all at the top of my head and chronologically to field each and every response was my intent. Actually, I'd resigned to the whole thing just being a side show when somebody I'd least expect wrote me and sent me a link the night before last, not at all in the spirit of doubting Thomas, was the first they'd heard of it in fact. I'm skeptical by nature about lots of things, but remember how we batted Kerry around. You get so far with something, then you hit a brick wall because what you need is just not out there.

Technically I suppose it could be dubbed a conspiracy, but that is a way of dissing the honest doubters. The secrecy is suspicious but still doesn't prove anything other than he chooses not to let it be known. In some ways, I can understand where he is coming from. Just like Sarah Palin said when she decided to release her medical records. She knew that those who were against her would find something in them to take issue with (my paraphrase).

Interesting point about the truthers. I looked at that awhile back, was tempted to track down a couple of those references but will let it go for now. I'm just not smart enough, don't have the expertise to know for certain that a building will pancake from a fire. I would have thought it would have toppled sideways. One apparently did partly, but I'd better stay away from that. Your point is well taken about catering to those truthers.

That said, I think it is a mistake to try to keep Obama out of office for this.

I won't go quite that far because it's a constitutional matter, but at some point you have to know to let go and move on. Whomever failed, it was from assuming. It can't be helped it has fallen out the way it has. No, I don't want to be a sore loser. He did win big, and that is a fact. Nobody is arguing that even though we know there were some things that didn't add up about the campaign money and possible vote fraud. We accepted that he is president-elect.

But I got jumped on on another thread, "didn't I care about the Constitution?" Yes. But like the other side had to do, at some point I have to accept what is and turn to something else. I do not want to be a whiny sore loser and do not think I have. This came up about 3 months ago now, hit me like a ton of bricks, found it intriguing, unprecedented, and here we are.

I think I can honestly say (although I might not dare say it here) that if the shoe were on the other foot, I would want to get to the bottom of it and would not defend my candidate winning the presidency by possible deception if I came to be convinced that was the case.

85 posted on 12/05/2008 7:08:53 PM PST by Aliska
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To: RummyChick
I realize you are an apologist for Obama....

Nope. Just like Michelle Malkin and other rational critics of Obama, I oppose kooky conspiracy theories that distract from the real issues I have with the man.

but the reality is...he went by a different last name after he was adopted.

I don't know if that's true. I have seen no credible evidence of it.

His school records show a different name. He was known by a different name. So why doesn’t this birth certificate that he showed the world on his website..

Probably because he never changed his legal name and the Indonesian school records you've seen were in error. I don't think those school records have any legal standing in the US.

Why did Obama lie when he applied to the Illinois State Bar about names he had gone by?

There is no evidence he did lie, and I'm inclined to think he didn't. What reason did he have to lie? What would he have to gain?

86 posted on 12/05/2008 7:10:36 PM PST by curiosity
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To: RummyChick
Liar.

Don't thow out nasty accusations like that without something to back it up. It's all in this article:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

87 posted on 12/05/2008 7:12:52 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Answer the question, Bubba

http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=479401

You claim Obama never used the name Barry Soetoro...

bahhahahahahahahha...Obama needs to hire better disrupters.


88 posted on 12/05/2008 7:13:31 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Aliska

I want to know what SCOTUS is doing....weren’t they to meet on this subject today?


89 posted on 12/05/2008 7:14:25 PM PST by tioga
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To: curiosity
How about the Hawaii department of public health? They have already verified that he was born in Honolulu.

Not true. Find the quote and you will see that the Obama koolaid drinkers have twisted the wording.

90 posted on 12/05/2008 7:14:27 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: curiosity; RummyChick
I don't know if that's true. I have seen no credible evidence of it.

You twit! You posted the evidence of his alias to me claiming it was his BC here. It clearly reads Barry Soetoro. And it's NOT a BC!

Probably because he never changed his legal name and the Indonesian school records you've seen were in error. I don't think those school records have any legal standing in the US.

Either you are clueless or you are a troll.

91 posted on 12/05/2008 7:14:40 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: awake-n-angry
He’s causing this problem!?!?! WHat problem?!?!

Obama has no problem.

Some who can’t accept the outcome of the election are holding on to a fantasy but Obama does not have a problem.


Really? Having to hire entire law firms to fight off 14 or 15 lawsuits and counting is not a problem? Well, maybe not, since Obama seems to have an unlimited amount of funding. However, one of those cases so far has made it into the lap of the US Supreme Court. It may be tossed, but it having gone that far is, in itself, at least a small thorn in his side, especially since there are several more on their way. Obama has every reason to feel secure that he won't be prevented from being sworn in, but to ignore that there is significant controversy is to whistle through the graveyard. The only reason that this isn't the biggest news story of the decade is because the mainstream media are Obama backers and are spiking the hell out of this story. If it were Bush whose eligibility were questioned, this would have been front page news every day since it started. However, even the media's reluctance to give this story legitimacy can't stop it from growing, and Obama has only himself to blame, since he refuses to do the one thing that a reasonable person would do: show his birth certificate to anyone who wants to see it.
92 posted on 12/05/2008 7:15:02 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: curiosity

Okay, you are right about that one. Now tell me why Barry claims he didn’t go by another other names on his Illinois Bar registration.


93 posted on 12/05/2008 7:15:34 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Zevonismymuse
I believe there are family and friends who have guilty knowledge. The more people who know something the harder it is to conceal.

After he leaves office, he may be subject to charges if evidence surfaces or witnesses come forward establishing fraud.

Perhaps G. Gordon Liddy can obtain the BC. LOL!

Wasn't the statemernt by Richardson strange? I wonder if it's a blurt out or if they are so arrogant they think they can do whatever they want?

94 posted on 12/05/2008 7:17:55 PM PST by nufsed
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To: RummyChick
I did find this if it is legit.

LAWYER SEARCH: ATTORNEY REGISTRATION AND PUBLIC DISCIPLINARY RECORD

Under "Full Former Name(s) - None.

95 posted on 12/05/2008 7:18:02 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
No, I don't want to be a sore loser. He did win big, and that is a fact. Nobody is arguing that even though we know there were some things that didn't add up about the campaign money and possible vote fraud. We accepted that he is president-elect.

I don't think you sound like a sore loser. I think you are being extremely even handed and reasonable. Yes, there is a possibility that this may lead to a constitutional question which must be answered. I will be happy no matter what happens because I am a happy gal. I am just glad that people like you are helping people like me follow this in a way that cannot be construted as some sort of lynch mob. We do not want to be the moral equivilent to the No On 8 crowd.

96 posted on 12/05/2008 7:18:47 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: curiosity
He also made it available to WorldNetDaily and they also concluded it's authentic.

Do you have a link? This would be the first I've heard of it.

How about the Hawaii department of public health? They have already verified that he was born in Honolulu.

Oh really? I was under the impression that the statement given by the Hawaii officials was merely that they have an authentic birth certificate on file. They never stated what location of birth was given. But you probably already know that, if you've been following these threads, which leads me to believe that you are being deliberately misleading.
97 posted on 12/05/2008 7:20:44 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: RummyChick; curiosity

No he wasn’t! FactCheck is run by Annenberg. Who worked for Annenberg? Ayers and Obama. World Nut Daily bought it but it’s not a BC! And WND did not see the certification of live birth. They only bought Annenbergs lie.


98 posted on 12/05/2008 7:21:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Aliska

It is ..I posted the direct link.


99 posted on 12/05/2008 7:24:10 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: outofstyle
The author may be correct that there would remain some committed conspiritorialists like the 911 deniers. However, if the data are not presented, Obama's presidential legitimacy will always be in question.

If Obama manages to completely evade the presentation of his Natural Born bona fides, it's going to be a rockin' and rollin' four years.

Just wait until some military members refuse to obey his orders, or the re-enlistment rate drops to practically zero. There are just so many things that will come undone if he arrogantly continues down this path.

100 posted on 12/05/2008 7:26:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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