Posted on 12/05/2008 5:18:15 PM PST by Aliska
Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)
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Get Monica Lewinsky and she can blow on it.
True if he was born in Hawaii. Almost. Some of the things that came up as a result of people starting to look into it (that I would have never thought of myself) still need credible explanations.
Can you or anyone verify this (I copied it from something Judah Benjamin, an historian, wrote on texasdarlin's site):
"There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004?
"And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?
“'Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;'”
The above seems a little odd in retrospect that Obama would be so involved in this particular one since he seems to be dodgy at times unless pinned against a wall so to speak.
I think probably his real birth certificate contains embarrassing information about him ... perhaps his father was listed as unknown, or his birth name was Barry Dunham. Something like that which does not fit the story line in his books.
What's his birth certificate say?
He is fighting in court in order to NOT release his actual BC.
That's because that's the date they printed it. If you go to your county records office today and ask for your county's birth certificate today, they will put the date it was printed, along with your birth date.
I know this because I have had to get extra copies of my birth certificate before.
A new copy printed today is no less valid and no less official than the one given to your parents when you were born.
If Obama showed his birth certificate now, a lot of people would just assume it’s a fake, probably me among them.
Yes it is. It is the short for Birth Certificate, and it is just as valid as the long-form given to his parents when he was born.
It's certainly good enough to prove he's a citizen to any government agency. The hospital and doctor's name are irrelevant for this purpose. Only the place of birth is relevant, and it's on the certificate.
He is fighting in court in order to NOT release his actual BC.
Please provide a link.
You are completely missing the point. The fact that it had 2007 on it means that it is supposedly a copy of what is there now NOT the original that is sealed because of the adoption.
The adoption very likely changed Obama’s name. So who went back in and changed his name again????? and when????
Obama supposedly can’t get at his original birth certificate because he was adopted. I am not sure this holds true if it is just a one parent adoption versus an anonymous adoption.
So?
The adoption very likely changed Obama’s name.
I doubt it, but even if it did, so what?
Obama supposedly can’t get at his original birth certificate because he was adopted. I am not sure this holds true if it is just a one parent adoption versus an anonymous adoption.
Whether the certificate is original or not doesn't matter one iota when it comes to its validity in proving his status as a natural born citizen.
An official certificate printed today has the same validity as the one issued to his parents.
This has been posted repeatedly. He had Phil Bergs case dismissed in lower courts for lack of standing. I am not giving you the low down on all the suits. Do some research.
I realize you are an apologist for Obama....but the reality is...he went by a different last name after he was adopted. His school records show a different name. He was known by a different name. So why doesn’t this birth certificate that he showed the world on his website..which would be the one after he was adopted...show that name?
But here is one basic question. Why did Obama lie when he applied to the Illinois State Bar about names he had gone by?
Just answer that one simple question.
Isn’t it a felony to lie in your State Bar application?
No such luck Al. I think this is an important summary for anyone interested in this Birth Certification story. I think everything has to be on the table. I am a member of The Skeptics Society and I love Michael Shermer. I don't always agree with him but I think he is a truly reasoned man.
I think much was left out of the Slate story. I think framing this as simply a conspiracy instead of what it is; a too little/too late vetting of the most mysterious person ever elected to the Presidency. This article completely ignores that Obama has blocked most of the documentation from his life and is being suspiciously secretive.
Also Slate fails to compare this "conspiracy" with the 911 Conspiracies, probably because their readership is probably comprised heavily of these "Truthers". The story was flawed on many levels.
That said, I think it is a mistake to try to keep Obama out of office for this. The people responsible for vetting Obama, including McCain and most of the NRC, failed. The voters failed to be informed. I failed by not writing more letters to the editor. The election is over. Use this only as an opportunity to demonstrate the lack of Obama's credibility. Use it against him in 2012. I don't want to be a sore loser.
Check his posts. He’s been all over threads today defending Obama.
I want to see his defense of Obama lying on his Illinois State Bar application.
It happened.
There is NO DOUBT about that!!
No news/old news to most of us who’ve been following the story. But others might be amused to learn that factcheck.org is a subsidiary of the Annenberg Foundation, which also ponied up $150 million for the education-reform effort known as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, so ably stewarded by Messrs. Ayers and Obama.
All of this should have been fully explored during the primaries and certainly during the general election. The fact that it wasn’t is utterly due to Obama’s refusal to release his original birth certificate, abetted by the demonization of anyone who questioned his eligibility by the leftists, country clubbers, and lapdog media.
He’s mostly just running around insisting that Obama released his BC. He’s not the only one.
That I don't know. IIRC Obama came up with that after he got back from Hawaii for his vacation this past summer. Not knowing where or exactly when he was adopted or how it would affect the birth cert on file in Hawaii, I can't address that.
Where are they coming up with the 2007? The one on fightthesmears which I've got a screenshot of doesn't show any date that is discernable other than the birth date. I do remember seeing the high res folded (guess I didn't save that), photographed one on factcheck (or snopes), and don't remember anything about a date of 2007. I would think that would be on the seal to show the copy was issued in 2007.
Wouldn’t the next birth certificate - done at adoption - change his last name?
One would think. I'd assume he was adopted in Indonesia but not necessarily. Or they could have lied to get him in that school or paid the money to get it all legitimized. None of that would be Obama's fault but could affect him later calling into question his citizenship, if he lost it through adoption, should have applied for naturalization or what.
The name shown on the records of the Indonesian school.
I know. That appeared so mysteriously, looks legit, but how do I know?
HE FLAT OUT LIED WHEN HE APPLIED TO THE STATE BAR STATING HE HAD NEVER GONE BY ANY OTHER NAMES.
I don't know if I ever saw a legitimate copy of the bar app. That could indeed be the case, all turning on what years was He Barack Obama and what years was he Barry Soetoro (if he really was, seems logical that he would have used that name in Indonesia). If so, it leads to the question why he didn't just keep that name and when did he start using Obama again?
MAYBE SALON.COM OUGHT TO WRITE ABOUT THAT.
No because that isn't their agenda obviously. They are part of the debunking squad and to paint and "truthers" as VRWC idiots.
Actually some of this I'm not even sure Obama knows because of something I read yesterday and that he alludes to in one of his books (which I've not read). Evidently he may be aware that some of the truth of his past may have been concealed from him due to the exigencies of that time or the circumstances. So if some of this he honestly does not know, I'll cut him some slack on it.
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