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Does Congress think that wishing for something makes it so?
1 posted on 12/04/2008 11:56:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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The Big Three shouldn’t be gearing up for electric cars; they should be gearing up for bankruptcy.


2 posted on 12/04/2008 11:59:09 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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oh we also need more electricity. a lot of it comes from coal.


3 posted on 12/05/2008 12:01:09 AM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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roomy, speedy, gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket.

Not to mention the personal spaceship, the jetpack, and free healthcare in popsicle form.

5 posted on 12/05/2008 12:10:07 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Atheist Pro-Lifer)
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Imagine a solar storm during rush-hour...


6 posted on 12/05/2008 12:11:00 AM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Revolting cat!
It's just like Christmas 1967!

Sears Wishbook!!!


7 posted on 12/05/2008 12:11:25 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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While Obama gears up to eliminate power sources.


8 posted on 12/05/2008 12:12:16 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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Get prepared to pay road taxes on your heating bill. Or AC. or lighting. Cause without gas revenues the taxes have to come from some place. Or more tickets for going 2mph over the limit.


9 posted on 12/05/2008 12:12:33 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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No one will be excited about their new electric car when they figure out what happens when they forget to plug the piece of junk in overnight. Plug-in hybrids make more sense, as they can still make use of the convenience of gasoline, while possibly saving on fuel costs (assuming that the increased purchase price can be recouped).


11 posted on 12/05/2008 12:16:11 AM PST by eclecticEel (In short, I want Obama given the same respect and deference that Democrats have given George Bush)
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“gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket.”

At 1.8kw max coming from a 120 vac wall socket it would
take 2-3 days to charge.

14 posted on 12/05/2008 12:22:08 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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Yes, they can now Legislate Innovation.

Didn't you get the memo?

Obama wants to raise the CAFE standard to 45 mpg. I say make it 1000 mpg. Problem solved.

It's just like the Minimum Wage. Make it $100 an hour and everybody's rich.

See how easy that is?

16 posted on 12/05/2008 12:37:39 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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While we are at it, when do they make electric: trucks, Semi tractors, farm tractors, harvesters, dump trucks, road graders, airplanes, ships etc. For that matter, when do they come out with an electric RV motor home, or fifth wheel tow vehicle

Also what do they make oil derivatives from, or related components, such as tires, nylon, plastic etc. You know, the saline bags in the hospitals, surgical tubing. or for that matter aspirin and other pharmaceuticals. Do they make this out of (thin) air through a wind turbine or from solar panels.

I think I will keep my gas engines for a while, I can always get parts from the junkyard, sort of like how they kept 1950's vehicles running in Cuba. The alternative, which I would not prefer, if this is going to be come a third world country, may be to immigrate to a place like Brazil where Ford still makes real cars.

21 posted on 12/05/2008 2:14:46 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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I don't want anything with less than 300hp that runs on gasoline only, weighs at least 3,500# and is either a truck or seats 6 comfortably and cruises at 75-80 with muscle to spare!
26 posted on 12/05/2008 2:35:41 AM PST by dalereed
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Illegal immigration costs us energy.


34 posted on 12/05/2008 3:34:00 AM PST by Does so (Schumer, with IndyMac, precipitated bank failures just in time for the 2008 election.)
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Now that automakers are all busy gearing up to make electric vehicles, consumers should be getting a choice of roomy, speedy, gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket.

Will they come with a free scraper for those -20 day's or an extra battery for heat?

35 posted on 12/05/2008 3:34:12 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Yes, Virginia, they do..and they also believe in Santa Claus which more and more seems to be them for Wall Street and the Fortune 500.

It would be nice for them to declare a tax amnesty for all the people who owe back Federal Taxes, and give them a chance to start over just as they've done for the Mortgage market, the Investment Banks, and now the Big 2 1/2 (I don't consider Chrysler a really viable manufacturer which is a shame as their recent products appear to be excellent automobiles).

The Chevrolet Volt is going to be failure just as the Corvair, Vega, Chevette, and Sprint were.

Ten years ago GM tried to produce through a subcontractor a car called the Solectria.

It was based on the GEO Prizm platform. Sold to utilities and government they largely ran well with many limitations, such as limited range and expensive batteries. You can still buy one for about $15k or more on Ebay as well as the Ford Ranger electric trucks.

The problem will be infrastructure to support the Volt when it makes it to work. Where are you going to plug it in ?

36 posted on 12/05/2008 3:34:20 AM PST by cyberslave (The time has come to talk of many things.)
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I don’t want an electric car. Does anyone know if there is a ranking of countries by Freedom? I’d like to know which countries offer me the most financial freedom - lowest taxes, smallest government, lowest government debt, fewest penalties for spending money on whatever I want.


37 posted on 12/05/2008 4:01:26 AM PST by gotribe (obama just sucks - your wealth away)
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Dumbing down of America, Part 2.

Electric cars go 40 miles and then sit around a few hours being charged. The exhaust eliminated is actually belched out at the electric company’s power plant.

This is one more year the Democrats won’t get the Albert Einstein Intelligence ward.


46 posted on 12/05/2008 4:34:31 AM PST by RoadTest (By their fruits shall ye know them.)
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Lessee, we’re gearing up for lil’ electric toy cars, Obama is destroying the coal (and oil) industry which supplies electricity and other fuels, this is gonna be entertaining.

Our neighbors and we are in agreement to utilize combined pasturage as a woodlot, gardening and for a few horses so one way or the other we’re going to stay a step ahead of the fascist liberals, that is until they drive our horses to the glue factory with flatulance taxes, not to mention fireplace bans and home garden tariffs (we would be in competition with produce retailers you see)....

Lordy, these people are hopelessly insane—and dangerous.


48 posted on 12/05/2008 4:38:23 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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Electric cars will not become viable until ultracapacitor batteries becomes practical for electric car use--this will probably happen by 2011-2012 time frame.

The most likely change is the switch to plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV's) using essentially today's hybrid drivetrains with a much more powerful battery pack, probably using the ultracapacitor technology I mentioned. This would allow all-electric operation up to 80 km (50 miles) and standard hybrid operation after that. For example, I've read that the next-generation Toyota Prius and the new Honda Insight are designed so it the manufacturer could "drop in" a full PHEV drivetrain in a few years.

54 posted on 12/05/2008 5:04:43 AM PST by RayChuang88
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...gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket...

If they think it is expensive to run the air conditioner, just wait until they start charging these things!

57 posted on 12/05/2008 5:26:30 AM PST by GingisK
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