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To: acipher; Elsie
If mainstream protestantism is how Jesus Christ wants things, then I certainly hope He will accept my faith as being sufficient for His Grace to apply to me. [acipher]

Not if you buy into 2 Nephi 25:23: ...saved by grace AFTER ALL WE CAN DO...

According to this thought, grace is an after-burner that ONLY kicks in after you've done EVERYTHING you can do...everything spiritually...
...everything morally...
...everything physically...
...everything emotionally...
...everything relationally...

So, have you done EVERYTHING you can do?

If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, then I certainly hope your belief is sufficient for His Grace to apply to you.

If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, then the same 2 Nephi 25:23 Book of Mormon standard would apply to us as well. And then, no, NONE of us has ever done enough ("all we can do") to justify God's grace ever coming our way.

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) [and, as Isaiah said, all our works are like "filthy rags" before our all-holy God]

350 posted on 12/03/2008 3:13:36 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
You seem to fashion yourself as an expert on Mormon theology, therefore, let me ask you this, what does it mean “after all we can do” according to Mormon doctrine? Please state the church's view not your opinion please.

Also, as far as the saved by grace argument, how do you explain the “faith without works is dead” scriptures & the like?

2 Chr. 15: 7 Be ye strong . . . for your work shall be rewarded.
Ps. 28: 4 (Rev. 2: 23) Give them according to their deeds.
Ps. 62: 12 (Prov. 24: 12, 29; Rom. 2: 5-11) renderest to every man according to his work.
Eccl. 12: 14 God shall bring every work into judgment.
Jer. 17: 10 (Jer. 32: 19) to give every man according to his ways.
Micah 6: 8 do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly.
Matt. 5: 6 they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness.
Matt. 5: 16 that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father.
Matt. 7: 12 whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.
Matt. 7: 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Matt. 13: 23 received seed into the good ground . . . beareth fruit.
Matt. 16: 27 (1 Cor. 3: 8; Alma 9: 27-28; D&C 138: 59) shall reward every man according to his works.
Matt. 25: 40 as ye have done it unto one of the least of these . . . ye have done it unto me.
John 3: 21 he that doeth truth cometh to the light.
John 8: 39 If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
John 9: 4 I must work the works of him that sent me.
Acts 10: 35 he that . . . worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Rom. 2: 13 doers of the law shall be justified.
2 Cor. 5: 10 receive . . . according to that he hath done.
Gal. 6: 4 let every man prove his own work.
Gal. 6: 7 whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Eph. 2: 10 created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
Eph. 5: 9 fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness.
2 Tim. 3: 17 perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Titus 3: 8 be careful to maintain good works.
Heb. 13: 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will.
James 1: 22 be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only.
James 1: 27 Pure religion . . . is this, To visit the fatherless.
James 2: 22 by works was faith made perfect.
James 2: 26 faith without works is dead.
James 4: 17 him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not.
1 Pet. 1: 17 (Rev. 20: 12-13; 1 Ne. 15: 32; Mosiah 3: 24; Alma 33: 22; D&C 19: 3; D&C 76: 111; D&C 137: 9) Father . . . judgeth according to every man’s work.
1 Pet. 2: 12 your good works . . . glorify God.
2 Pet. 1: 5 add to your faith virtue.
1 Jn. 3: 18 let us not love in word . . . but in deed.
1 Jn. 3: 22 we receive of him, because we keep his commandments.
Rev. 22: 14 blessed are they that do his commandments.

And then finally, please explain how your interpretations are correct while in direct contradiction w/ other Christian religions who read the same Bible & believe in the same God.

353 posted on 12/03/2008 3:36:50 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Colofornian
Not if you buy into 2 Nephi 25:23: ...saved by grace AFTER ALL WE CAN DO... According to this thought, grace is an after-burner that ONLY kicks in after you've done EVERYTHING you can do...everything spiritually... ...everything morally... ...everything physically... ...everything emotionally... ...everything relationally... So, have you done EVERYTHING you can do?

Very good post.

A cult cannot be in control unless it can have power over its members - hence, the Grace of Christ's sacrifice "gets in the way."

357 posted on 12/03/2008 3:54:52 PM PST by SkyPilot
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