Posted on 12/01/2008 4:50:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
In my mind, this is a much better reason, than global warming, to develop electric cars. We need to hurry up and swith to electric cars before they start pumping that oil so they can’t make any money off of it to fund more terrorism.
How’s that logic strike ya?
Only problem is...I don’t see much hope in electric cars. If battery powered electric vehicles are the way to go, then let’s see them make battery powered trains first. IF they can’t make that work, then forget it.
Methane hydrate recovery will be coming on line in a decade or so and the reserves are stunning. 2 to 4 times all the oil, liquid gas and coal combined.
Oil is yesterday’s news.
Please expand on that...
Methane that is locked up in a matrix of water ice. It apparently is the normal way for the earth to store carbon energy. We have about 1/4 of the world’s known supply on our continental shelf and efforts with the Japanese are being made to develop methods of drilling for it and recovering it. There are some technical problems to be hurdled, but I think they are fairly mundane (High pressures) and simply require enough engineers to come up with the solution.
Wikipedia has a good review of Methane Hydrates with some good reference articles at the bottom. There is a whole lot of it...
I seriously doubt you were ever actually "taught" that. There's never, ever been a scientific theory associating oil with dinosaurs.
Oil comes from microscopic dead marine and lake plankton that gets buried.
The dinosaur thing comes from 1) A cute Sinclair oil advertising campaign 2) People only thinking of "dinosaurs" when they hear "fossil fuel."
Well this never made much sense to me. Everything I had seen, either plant or animal that died was consumed by something that was living and the cycle continued. If this sounds simplistic to you then maybe somebody could better educate me.
There are billions of tons of coal around the world, and it all obviously comes from dead terrestrial plants that were buried (in bituminous coal you can see the plant pieces it's made of under a microscope).
There's been a lot more marine plankton in the world, by weight, than land plants - main reason there's more coal than oil is that oil gets destroyed, or leaks to the surface.
I don't know why people have such a hard time accepting the fossil origin of oil, but not coal.
The only places the abiotic oil thing is taken seriously is on this board, WND, and a couple of Russians. It's basically a fantasy.
That and it would be silly to think that the oil on earth is mostly located near the surface??
THE K/T IMPACT AND THE ABIOTIC THEORY OF OIL
Human Events, 21 March 2006
HYPERLINK “http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13380"; \t “linkWin” http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13380
by Jerome R. Corsi
Mexico’s giant Cantarell oil field, in the Gulf of Mexico off the Yucatan, was supposedly discovered in 1976 after a fisherman named Cantarell reported an oil seep in the Campeche Bay. Last week, Mexico announced finding another giant oil field off Veracruz, the Noxal, estimated to hold more than 10 billion barrels of oil.
Exploration yielded surprising results. It turned out that Mexico’s richest oil field complex was created 65 million years ago, when the huge Chicxulub meteor impacted the Earth at the end of the Mesozoic Era. Scientists now believe that the Chicxulub meteor impact was the catastrophe the killed the dinosaurs, as well as the cause for creating the Cantrell oil field.
The impact crater is massive, estimated to be 100 to 150 miles (160 to 240 kilometers) wide. The seismic shock of the meteor fractured the bedrock below the Gulf and set off a series of tsunami activity that caused a huge section of land to break off and fall back into the crater under water.
Proponents of the abiotic, deep-earth theory of the origin of oil point argue that the deep fracturing of the basement bedrock at Cantarell caused by the meteor’s impact was responsible for allowing oil formed in the Earth’s mantle to seep into the sedimentary rock that settled in the huge underwater crater. Geologists have documented that the bedrock underlying the crater shows “melt rock veinlets pointing to large megablock structures as well as a long thermal and fluid transport” as part of the post-impact history. In other words, the bedrock at Cantarell did suffer sufficiently severe fracturing to open the bedrock to flows of liquids and gases from the deep earth below.
An important, but neglected, study of the bedrock underlying the Saudi oil fields provided strong evidence that the oil fields resulted from fractures and faults in the basement rock, not from a disproportionately large number of dinosaurs having died for some reason or another uniquely on the Arabian Peninsula. The study published in 1992 by geologist H.S. Edgell HYPERLINK “http://perso.wanadoo.fr/brcgranier/gmeop/Edgell_1992.htm%C2%A0"; \t “linkWin” http://perso.wanadoo.fr/brcgranier/gmeop/Edgell_1992.htm ; argued that the Saudi oil fields, including the giant field at Ghawar, were “produced by extensional block faulting in the crystalline Precambrian basement along the predominantly N-S Arabian Trend which constitutes the ‘old grain’ of Arabia.”
In other words, according to the abiotic, deep earth theory of oil’s origin, we do not have to assume that all the dinosaurs herded like Elephants to Saudi Arabia at the end of the Mesozoic Era, where they died in a giant heap that produced oil. Bedrock cracks, whether or not due to meteor impacts, can serve to open the above sedimentary layers to trap oil deposits seeping upward.
Until the 1960s, geologists considered collisions of extraterrestrial objects with the Earth as interesting, but not necessarily important. Since Cantarell was discovered, geologists have come to realize that the intense shock waves generated in meteor impact events have significantly shaped Earth’s surface, distributed its crust, and fractured its bedrock. Over 150 individual geological structures, many masked over by subsequent sedimentary deposits, have been identified as important, ranging from circular impact bowls measuring from only a few kilometers in diameter to as much as 200 kilometers (approximately 125 miles) in diameter. Moreover, Cantarell has stimulated interest in meteor impact structures as potential locations to explore in order to find oil producing sites.
In recent years, we have only begun exploring the Gulf of Mexico for oil. So far the results are impressive. Instead of imploring Congress to examine the oil producing potential of wood chips and switch grass, President Bush may be better advised to press ahead to extend oil exploration into the Gulf of Mexico to the limits current technology will permit.
Wouldn’t the Bush administration and other “peak oil” advocates be surprised to find that a resource as close as the Gulf of Mexico might just rival the 260 billion barrels of oil reserves Saudi Arabia currently claims?
[ZESTAlternative] The Russian-Ukranian theory of deep abiotic petroleum origins.
Thomas Victor
Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:29:52 -0700
We’ve all been taught that petroleum is a ‘fossil fuel’. That many years ago
the remains of forests and of animals such as the dinosaurs were covered over
and as time passed they were converted to petroleum. This makes petroleum a
very finite resource. The currently popular ‘peak oil’ theory says that
petroleum stocks are running out and that civilization as we know it will soon
crumble.
In contrast, the abiotic theory says that petroleum originates from deep within
the hot inner part of the earth, seeping out to the surface, and that there is
no connection between petroleum and biological matter.
This is quite a controversial topic. Most ‘oil people’ say it is NOT true. Or
that it is possible but not enough petroleum is produced abiotically to be
economically significant.But can oil people be trusted? Some feel that
companies like Chevron are just using the excuse of diminishing supplies to
raise the price and to maximise profits.
One fact in support of this new theory is that Russia, whose oil fields were
petering out some years ago, has suddenly become a major oil producer and is
now the largest exporter, exporting even more than Saudi Arabia and this could
be due to their secret deep drilling techniques that tap into abiotic oil
sources.
- Thomas
Abiogenic petroleum origin
The theory of abiogenic petroleum origin states that petroleum is produced by
non-biological processes deep in the Earth. This stands in contrast to the more
widely held view that it is created from the fossilization of ancient organic
matter. According to this theory, petroleum is formed by non-biological
reactions deep in the Earth’s crust. The constituent precursors of petroleum
(mainly methane) are commonplace and it is possible that appropriate conditions
exist for oil to be formed deep within the Earth.
Although this theory has support by a large minority of geologists in Russia,
where it was intensively developed in the 1950s and 1960s, it has only recently
begun to receive attention in the West, where the biogenic theory is still
believed by the vast majority of petroleum geologists. Although it was
originally denied that abiogenic hydrocarbons exist at all on earth, this is
now admitted by Western geologists. The orthodox position now is that while
abiogenic hydrocarbons exist, they are not produced in commercially significant
quantities, so that essentially all hydrocarbons that are extracted for use as
fuel or raw materials are biogenic.
A variation of the abiogenic theory includes alteration by microbes similar to
those which form the basis of the ecology around deep hydrothermal vents.
Abiotic Theory of Oil Formation
There is an alternative theory about the formation of oil and gas deposits that
could change estimates of potential future oil reserves. According to this
theory, oil is not a fossil fuel at all, but was formed deep in the Earth’s
crust from inorganic materials. The theory was first proposed in the 1950s by
Russian and Ukranian scientists. Based on the theory, successful exploratory
drilling has been undertaken in the Caspian Sea region, Western Siberia, and
the Dneiper-Donets Basin.
The prevailing explanation for the formation of oil and gas deposits is that
they are the remains of plant and animal life that died millions of years ago
and were compressed by heat and pressure over millions of years. Russian and
Ukranian geologists argue that formation of oil deposits requires the high
pressures only found in the deep mantle and that the hydrocarbon contents in
sediments do not exhibit sufficient organic material to supply the enormous
amounts of petroleum found in supergiant oil fields.
The abyssal, abiotic theory of oil formation has received more attention in the
West recently because of the work of retired Cornell astronomy professor Thomas
Gold, who is known for development of several theories that were initially
dismissed, but eventually proven true, including the existence of neutron
stars. He has also been wrong, however; he was a proponent of the “steady
state” theory of the universe, which has since been discarded for the “Big
Bang” theory. Gold’s theory of oil formation, which he expounded recently in a
book entitled The Deep Hot Biosphere, is that hydrogen and carbon, under high
temperatures and pressures found in the mantle during the formation of the
Earth, form hydrocarbon molecules which have gradually leaked up to the surface
through cracks in rocks. The organic materials which are found in petroleum
deposits are easily explained by the metabolism of bacteria which have been
found in extreme environments similar to Earth’s mantle. These
hyperthermophiles, or bacteria which thrive in extreme environments, have been
found in hydrothermal vents, at the bottom of volcanoes, and in places where
scientists formerly believed life was not possible. Gold argues that the mantle
contains vast numbers of these bacteria.
The abiogenic origin of petroleum deposits would explain some phenomena that
are not currently understood, such as why petroleum deposits almost always
contain biologically inert helium. Based on his theory, Gold persuaded the
Swedish State Power Board to drill for oil in a rock that had been fractured by
an ancient meteorite. It was a good test of his theory because the rock was not
sedimentary and would not contain remains of plant or marine life. The drilling
was successful, although not enough oil was found to make the field
commercially viable. The abiotic theory, if true, could affect estimates of how
much oil remains in the Earth’s crust..
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Let's get directly to the point:
NUCLEAR TRAINS
NUCLEAR TRAINS
~~~~~~~~~~~~
There ya go!
Let’s do it. I really don’t see why not. A train that will run for a year without refueling...I LIKE IT!
Ya know what? I’m still thinking about this nuclear powered train...
We’ve got nuke powered subs and carriers right? Well, what do all these nuke techies do when they retire from the navy? I say PUT THEM TO WORK IN THE RAILROADS!
A submarine is a boat that goes under water. A subway is a train that goes underground...see what I’m getting at? huh? So if a submarine man is called a submariner, is a subway man called a subterrier?
LOL!
A recent book by Jerome Corsi documents why oil fields have been refilling themselves.
Title: Black Gold, Stranglehold.
I can’t recall. Check scientific american’s website... www.sciam.com
Yeahhhhh!!!
On second thought...
Yes, the earth creates it as a lubricant.
Kinda like we create similar substances in our own bodies.
Like earwax.
A large part of the world’s oil has just sat there, because it is of the less desirable kind, called “heavy sour”, as opposed to “light sweet”, which everybody wants.
Heavy sour oil has more of the lower octane hydrocarbons in it, for things like ship oil and fog oil, not the higher ones that make gasoline and aircraft fuel. It is called sour because it has a lot of sulfur in it as well.
Nobody even wants to refine heavy sour, because it is more expensive and difficult.
Lets get the environmentalists on this.
The leaking is polluting the beaches, let's drill it out and relieve the pressure.
But what to do with all the oil?
Well, we could make it into gasoline and fuel all them cars out there.
awwwww...
Sorry,please make that this.
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