Posted on 12/01/2008 6:31:33 AM PST by ckilmer
Of course, all of these constitutional issues pale in comparison with the controversy that continues to simmer around Barack Obama’s place of birth. Contrary to what his supporters claim, Obama has never produced his original birth certificate. What he has offered is a “Certificate of live Birth” which does not name the doctor or hospital who delivered him, only registers his birth. There are now lawsuits in over a half dozen states calling on election officials not to certify Obama’s electoral votes until the questions are resolved. Rather than produce the document and silence his critics for good, Obama continues to stonewall, refusing to unseal his birth certificate.
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Amendment XX to The U.S. Constitution states that if the president elect fails to “qualify” then the VP-elect would ACT as president until a president is “qualified”. The XX Amendment is silent as to how that would be done.
The wording of the XII Amendment, although not specific to the case of a president-elect NOT qualifying, COULD lead one to conclude that the House of representatives would then need to choose the president - but it also seems to indicate that the choice must be from the list of candidates for president. Biden was NOT a candidate for president.
As others have said, it’ll cause a Constitutional crisis.
I wrote this on another thread, and it is just as relevant here:
It was suggested that a citizens, we are “obliged” to honor the majority choice as President elect.
We are not “obliged” to honor their choice. If Barack Obama is not a citizen as outlined in the US Constitution, then he should not be allowed to assume office.
That requirement is found in the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
The founders put that stipulation in there for a REASON. A specific reason. A GOOD reason, one that is just as relevant today as it was back in 1787.
If the population of this nation decides there is a valid reason to allow foreigners to run for the office of the Presidency, then the founders, in their wisdom, included a mechanism within the Constitution to change the document.
The mechanism sets a bar of difficulty that is high, but there is a reason for that as well. We WANT the document to be difficult to change, so that if a change is proposed, there will be debate to ensure it is appropriate.
It was designed specifically this way to prevent any tin pot dictator or politician from proposing and enacting changes due to a hue and cry of the moment to a document which was very well thought out.
If anyone thinks that we, as a country, can disregard both the Constitution, and the mechanism included in it to make changes to the document, then the entire document may be disregarded as the situation dictates. If that is true, we are finished as a Republic.
Is the SOCIALIST unrest really worth it?
You damn right it is.
Better race riots now than a civil war later.
He hasn't produced his school records from Columbia or Harvard. It's entirely possible that he is the product of affirmative action "social promotion". An academic incompetent whose position was "purchased". His ignorance of the number of states in the U.S. and the history of Pearl Harbor suggests he's not particularly bright. It's amazing what can be accomplished with lots of money and a well placed teleprompter.
This was written in another thread by STE=Q:
I don’t think you understand the ramifications of someone who is not a natural born citizen... someone who may have divided loyalties or allegiance to another country etc.... becoming the most powerful man in the world: the President of the united states.
I don’t care if he/she is more conservative than Rush Limbaugh, if he/she is NOT a ‘natural born citizen’ — as enumerated in our guiding document, the Constitution Of the United States — he is disqualified from being OUR President.
The ‘natural born citizen’ prevision — along with age requirements — was wisely placed in our constitution for good reason.
We are either a country of laws or we are not.
If Mr. Obama — even on his way to the Presidency — is able to circumvent the law of the land: where does that leave us?
This is how tyrants come to power.
This is how tyrants in the past HAVE come to power.
This is how a tyrant in the future may come to power.
If Mr. Obama turns out to be a natural born citizen, I will not feel foolish in the least.
Being protective of our constitution is a duty — not a sin.
Indeed, lacking vigilance in our duty can cost us our priceless liberty.
I would rather ere on the side of caution, then risk losing what so many have given their lives to secure.
STE=Q
It's not official until the electoral college votes. There are various court challenges that still need to be satisfied, including that of Alan Keyes in California for that state's electoral votes.
If Obama is qualified, then great. Let's move on. Otherwise, it is worth fighting a fraudulent election to uphold the Constitution as the cost of not fighting is much greater. Many of us have sworn an oath to do exactly that.
I prefer to live with the truth in the light of day even if that means, as it has so many times before, a difficult struggle to finally get there. To do less is to discount and ignore the lives that have been lost for us to be able to live as we do guided and governed by our Constitution.
Race rioting would be unfortunate. If the MSM would just report the news so that Americans were aware they had been duped in advance, and black Americans specifically would be aware that Obama is the source of the dupe, this could easily be avoided. Unfortunately, the MSM is corrupt, and Obama would rather bloody the streets than do the honorable thing. So, a race riot may occur. The streets of Chicago are no stranger to military tanks. We survived it. Better to survive it again than to flush the Constitution down the toilet.
What! Either the Constitution is the law of the land or it isn’t. Without the Constitution there is no “We the People”. We become a ruled society. In the eyes of the Founders, periodic social unrest was good and necessary to circumvent just this type of slide from democracy. I’m not going to waste an ounce of sweat trying to “rebuild the party” if there is no founding document to base it upon. That would be a monumental waste of time!
I thought it was funny how Obambi's people were snickering at how McCain graduated low in his class (894 of 899) - almost the very bottom; yet they would not release Obambi's grades. I suspect that he graduated at something like 900 our of 900 - they couldn't let that get out could they?
The left likes to always portray the right as 'dumb'. That's their favorite word - even for Reagan, he was amiable but dumb.
Now, they have possibly the dumbest person to ever set foot in the Whitehouse elected as President. A smooth-talking nincompoop.
I hope some hackers get into the records at Harvard and Columbia and release this info. Obama registered at Columbia as Barry Soetero - so the rumor goes.
Stonewalling is like a red flag to the media.
OK, sometimes I crack myself up.
It would not surprise me that such a hoax could be perpetrated upon the Obama-worshipping population of this nation - aided and abetted by the 90% lib/dems in the MSM.
Sorry!
Wrong poster — I apologize.
There doesn't seem to be any such person or office.
A presidential candidate's birthplace is usually very easy to determine, which is why this issue has never arisen before.
In our age of media saturation, it's simply amazing that the media has been able to keep a lid on the issue for so long.
If you don't have the law, argue the facts. If you don't have the facts, attack the messenger.
I was cruising aroud the Freeper website the last few days and noticed they were having a pointless argument as to why Obama has not released his "original" birth certificate. They went so far as to say that the one he has released was a forgery. Can someone tell me what the real issue is they are trying to smear him with? This is the first I have heard of it. Thanks.Won't they be in for a surprise. Actually, one or two DUmmies are onto it, but the thread gathered a grand total of 8 posts. I guess they're not very much interested in the Constitution.
Flat out WRONG!
He has offered a "CERTIFICATION of Live Birth" - not a "CERTIFICATE of Live Birth"
These are two very different documents.
They won't be angry at "The One." They'll be angry at "The Man."
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