Interesting essay. The author attributes the decline of British civil society to various "intellectual and legislative activity" (such as lowering the tax on alcohol), but never mentions the overriding change from a predominantly Christian to a post-Christian culture, perhaps reflecting a personal blind spot in the author.
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
What socialism does to country after 60 years...
2 posted on
11/30/2008 6:24:19 PM PST by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
The era of Jeeves and Bertie Wooster is sadly past.
3 posted on
11/30/2008 6:25:44 PM PST by
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Not to mention ‘political correctness’
4 posted on
11/30/2008 6:25:44 PM PST by
45semi
(I find stinky B.O. really really offensive...)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Wal-Mart shoppers a few days ago...
5 posted on
11/30/2008 6:27:41 PM PST by
DB
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Well, I was under the impression that they always served cold food and warm beer over there, so I agree it has more to do with moving to a post-Christian culture than the lowering a tax.
Sounds like their collective national character has been spiraling down, too.
6 posted on
11/30/2008 6:27:41 PM PST by
Canedawg
(The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Well it is militant secularism, anti-Christian plus pathological political correctness made worse by open borders etc.
I do not think a society in Europe has been more fervent in destroying their culture and destroying their civilization. I think the Dutch and the Swedes are moving in the direction as well.
The French have not changed that much culturally but their open borders and islamo-invasion are a major issue.
7 posted on
11/30/2008 6:30:37 PM PST by
Frantzie
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
If Horace Walpole was rightthat the world is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy to those who feel,I picked this cherry from an excellent read. It explains why conservatives have such a good sense of humor and liberals are so unhappy. Thanks for posting.
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Thank you for sharing this very interesting article.
As for your comments about Britain’s transition to a secular society, I would agree. I just was thinking that God allows for freedom of actions. However, when that freedom is abused, and debauchery is the result, He will intervene to stop that behavior. I believe that He is using the darkness of Islam to destroy the secular societies that have forgotten the name of Christ.
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
This writer has been writing columns in UK papers for at least the past 5 years. He is a psychologist MD who has dealt with prisoners as well as other people in UK society. He publishes under a pseudonym.
11 posted on
11/30/2008 6:40:15 PM PST by
Frantzie
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
When I travelled England about 5 years ago I still found a remnant of older people with great charm and manners - a very few young people I met also seemed to continue this sadly many English males are thugs and seem to enjoy being like that and many English women are no longer ladies. When churches are mainly tourist attractions and the real religion is soccer it is no wonder people turn into angry disillusioned prats.
12 posted on
11/30/2008 6:40:44 PM PST by
melsec
(A Proud Aussie)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Start with the welfare state — and end with the welfare state. Everything flows from there. Political correctness, victimhood, dependence, sloth. All of that and more is subsidized and encouraged by the welfare state so that it can perpetuate itself
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Sounds like Brit-trashing to me, just like we hear everyday about how awful Americans are. The message is: Western culture sucks!
We must all look to models from non-Western culture to not suck.
14 posted on
11/30/2008 6:50:39 PM PST by
KJC1
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
>but never mentions the overriding change from a predominantly Christian to a post-Christian culture, perhaps reflecting a personal blind spot in the author.
Indeed. Interesting also to note the rises and falls of powers that as a nation embrace or reject Christ.
16 posted on
11/30/2008 7:15:20 PM PST by
OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
17 posted on
11/30/2008 7:18:20 PM PST by
gibsosa
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
The author is a truly incredible writer. It's sad that he is forced to chronicle the collapse of a culture that, as he shows in the article, possessed many fine attributes for many years. I sometiems wonder whether Princess Diana was more a symptom or more a cause of a significant portion of the decline.
It's happening to us, as well, of course. It will be interesting and instructive to see in what shape the Obamas will leave our culture. Eight years of Clintonism was plenty hard on our society, and while it may appear that we will be seeing eight more years of the same, I am betting that the Obamas will manage to introduce some major wrinkles all their own. We shall see. I am trying to figure out how to shelter myself from as much of our brave new Obamenvironment as I possibly can.
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
If people gathered near Westminster shouting slogans, a policeman would tell them to go away and they would go. That was then.
Now, the cops yell and actually attack you if you are, for example, marching peacefully to protest the recently enacted ban on hunting to hounds. However if you're screaming for the death and dismemberment of infidels etc, the police do nothing but watch.
The decline has been steady but accelerated significantly in the last ten or fifteen years.
20 posted on
11/30/2008 7:37:53 PM PST by
1066AD
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
23 posted on
11/30/2008 8:10:21 PM PST by
daniel1212
(I sent unto you all my servants the prophets,... saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn; aculeus; neverdem; AnAmericanMother; MozarkDawg; Billthedrill
Daniels/Dalrymple bump. Thanks for posting.
24 posted on
11/30/2008 8:53:43 PM PST by
dighton
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Dog-eared for Monday reading.
25 posted on
11/30/2008 9:03:32 PM PST by
SuziQ
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
The author attributes the decline of British civil society to various "intellectual and legislative activity" (such as lowering the tax on alcohol), but never mentions the overriding change from a predominantly Christian to a post-Christian culture, perhaps reflecting a personal blind spot in the author.IIRC, he's admitted to being either an agnostic or atheist.
27 posted on
11/30/2008 9:14:02 PM PST by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
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