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To: zarodinu

You said — “... but there is zero positive evidence that he was born outside of US, and much evidence that he was born in Hawaii including a birth announcement in a newspaper.”

There’s not zero evidence that he was born outside of the US. There is the testimony of his grandmother in Kenya who says she was there in the hospital when Obama was born and saw him born there. That’s pretty substantial to have such a close relative say that.

Secondly, there was an interview from a radio station (given on a Free Republic thread, too) where the Kenyan Ambassador in Washington DC said that Obama was born in Kenya. And he was also saying that the people in Kenya generally knew that this was the case, too (besides himself knowing it).

And then you mentioned the birth announcement in the paper — well..., that’s easy enough to produce. It’s not proof of birth there — but only proof that someone was wanting to establish that fact at that time. And, of course, Obama’s mother wanted to establish that fact, for her son (and not because she thought he was going to need it to become President, but because she wanted that advantage for him).

As I understand it, she couldn’t fly out of Kenya at the time, because the airlines would fly someone as pregnant as her, so she was stuck until the baby was born. So, (I would say) she had to make a plan where she could get something established that would give credibility that Obama was born in the U.S. And that led to her immediately flying out of Kenya, after he was born and establishing this charade in Hawaii.

The evidence is not stacked all one way, like you seem to think it is.

HOWEVER, whether anyone will act upon it in a legal and authoritative way is quite another matter. And in that sense, I don’t think it’s going to be done legally and authoritatively...


198 posted on 11/29/2008 3:36:39 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

I am sorry but anecdotal testimony from an old woman and a completely unrelated diplomat are not exactly hard evidence. Hard evidence would be a Kenyan birth certificate, or a hospital record from Kenya, or evidence of air travel by Obama’s mom prior to birth.

The whole thing just doesn’t make sense. A very pregnant woman with little financial resources travels to a third world country to give birth (huh?), and travels back to Hawaii in order to lie that her son was born in the states, even going so far as planting a fake birth announcement in the paper. WHY? There is no advantage whatsoever to being a natural born citizen if you don’t plan to be POTUS. Why would Obama lie about being born in Hawaii his whole life, even years before he could dream of being POTUS? Non of this makes any sense.


204 posted on 11/29/2008 4:02:17 AM PST by zarodinu
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