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To: Spktyr; archy

Excellent points......reporters trying to be even close to describing a firearm is usually a fiasco or bold lie. During desert storm we located lots of H&K byproducts licensed to other countries in the holes we cleared. Just as lots of companies do they will make their host nation sales with that countries characters / lettering. Thus MP-5’s in Arabic , Greek, Chinese etc are all common yet most were made in Germany when we found those weapons stamped in such a manner. One example were the Turkish versions. Licensed by H&K yet made in turkey. They had German or English text on em.

Stay safe !


99 posted on 11/29/2008 9:13:49 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Thus MP-5’s in Arabic , Greek, Chinese etc are all common yet most were made in Germany when we found those weapons stamped in such a manner. One example were the Turkish versions. Licensed by H&K yet made in turkey. They had German or English text on em.

Stay safe !

I met one of the nice H&K tech reps a few years back when they were showing off the then-new XM-8 and its blooper attachment at Camp Robinson/ Little Rock. I said some generally nice things about it, got to put a couple of hundred rounds through it, and was favourably impressed. When the guy asked me if there was anything *special* I'd like to see from the H&K lines, I chatted with him for a while about the early G# *einheits* magazine, which he'd never heard of, and which got him franticly scribbling in his little pocket notebook- I'd played with the things at the German small arms testing center at Meppen around 1967, when the nice young engineer from H&K was probably still in diapers.

But he was polite. And when he asked me if there was anything *special* that H&K might supply me, I told him I'd really, really like to have a H&K MP5 with all the markings and selector info in Klingon. He told me *I don't think so.* But he wrote it down in the little notebook.

BTW, in the Phillipines I once had a pre-Navy version [late 1970s] with absolutely no markings at all, no manufacturer, no serial number, no selector indications. They were presumably meant for users who knew where the lever was supposed to be set.

106 posted on 11/30/2008 12:23:12 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Squantos
Excellent points......reporters trying to be even close to describing a firearm is usually a fiasco or bold lie.

It'll be even more interesting to see what sort of grenades they were using, and what the source was for them.

Some of the TV footage I saw showed what looked to be Austrian Hgro M77 model grenades. Pretty hard to be certain, and that's more your line than mine.

Interesting too: the 10 or so terrorists included handguns among their equipment, indicating that they may have had something planned that involved concealment of their weapons rather than just brute firepower. There's a lesson there....


112 posted on 11/30/2008 12:57:24 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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