Posted on 11/25/2008 3:23:14 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
Washington Post columnist says the Republican Party must ditch God in order to survive.
So, Kathleen Parker has determined that getting rid of social conservatives and shelving the values they fight for is the solution to what ails the Republican Party (“Giving Up on God,” Nov. 19). Isn’t that a little like Benedict Arnold handing George Washington a battle plan to win the Revolution?
Whatever she once was, Ms. Parker is certainly not a conservative anymore, having apparently realized it’s a lot easier to be popular among your journalistic peers when your keyboard tilts to the left. She writes that “armband religion” — those of us who “wear our faith on our sleeve,” I suppose, or is it meant to compare socially conservative Christians to Nazis? — is “killing the Republican Party.” Lest readers miss the point, she literally spells it out. The GOP’s big problem? G-O-D.
N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E.
(Excerpt) Read more at citizenlink.org ...
Git ‘em, James D. Git ‘em.
Actually, I hear the same kind of thinking here, on Free Republic, by some of the posters. And they’re not just new and recent posters but many are older ones. So, this isn’t something that is limited to journalists trying to suck-up to fellow journalists. It’s also prevalent here (and in the Republican Party).
One thing I do know about people who try to do this (i.e., get rid of God, and get rid of the people (and/or the ideas) who see themselves as part of Christianity and also in the Republican Party) — are going to lose election after election after election without the Christian conservatives. The Republicans will never win another major election if the Christian conservatives go (and leave the Republican Party) because they are shut out.
Soviet Union: Society of the Godless slogan:
“Struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Godless
PARKER - “It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason,” he added. “I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.”
DOBSON - That is, as my theologian friend Al Mohler called it, “secularism with a smile” — offered in the form of an invitation for believers to show up, but then only to be allowed to make arguments that are not based in their deepest beliefs. Kathleen Parker has gone even one step further, though. She’s rescinding the invitation altogether.
Dobson misses the point altogether.
“The Republicans will never win another major election if the Christian conservatives go (and leave the Republican Party) because they are shut out.”
Funny, I was thinking Christian conservatives may never win a major policy initiative without the republican party.
OK..Can we make a law against abortion for the purpose of sex selection? Not on moral grounds, but on the grounds of sexual discrimination? It is happening..is it covered by Roe v Wade? No bible required to make judgement on this abortion issue.
Doubtful. But the case can be made to the voters about it which might cause them to look at abortion in a different light.
The problem I see is that Social Conservatives will stand up for what they believe in, even if it means they might lose (for now) whereas moderate Republicans just want to win. I wouldn't count on social conservatives being the first to blink.
You said — “Funny, I was thinking Christian conservatives may never win a major policy initiative without the republican party.”
Well, the Republicans have more to lose from Christian conservatives leaving, than the Christians have to lose from some Republicans wanting them out of there (or at least their ideas...).
That’s because the Christian conservatives have a Father in Heaven who looks out for them and looks over and takes care of all things in this world. Christians have been “in” and “out” of government, all through history. Even in the world, today, many Christians are persecuted in their respective countries (seriously so...). They all have something better to look towards, than a political party.
The Republicans, on the other hand, don’t have too much else, outside of themselves, to look towards (for help) other than the McManiacs, who look towards becoming more like Democrats... LOL...
Christians will never look towards the Republican Party for help. They will primarily look towards God and God will be the One who directs all these things...
Thank God for Kathleen Parker. Everytime her name is mentioned Sarah’s popularity goes through the roof.
At this point in our advances in medical technology and information, there is no need at all to use religious beliefs or dogma in arguing against abortion. I happen to have religious beliefs about it, but the science clearly shows that it is the pro-abortion folks who are arguing from the basis of their own superstitions, not us.
The only way abortion will be outlawed is if the courts rule an embryo is a “person” which would then have constitutional rights.
Keep in mind 80% of Americans believe in God in some form. Why then is it not easy to outlaw abortion? Because many who call themselves “Christian” and/or those that consider themselves moral want to keep the option of opting out of a pregnancy no matter what their minister or the Bible says.
Until the RTL forces confront that reality they won’t find a strategy for victory.
You said — “The problem I see is that Social Conservatives will stand up for what they believe in, even if it means they might lose (for now) whereas moderate Republicans just want to win. I wouldn’t count on social conservatives being the first to blink.”
Using the term, Social Conservative, is somewhat problematic for me, because it could include others who may not have the same viewpoint or commitment as Bible-believing Christians (whom, *I think*, are primarily in the Republican Party right now...).
Those Bible-believing Christians know that things could change around and they could become persecuted just as quickly as they could win an election (at another time).
See Hebrews 11 for a “Hall of Fame” of God’s chosen...
No matter what happens to Bible-believing Christians (win or lose elections), they are going to stick to what the Word of God says. That’s the problem that the Republican Party is going to run into, if they decide to dump the Christian conservatives...
“The problem I see is that Social Conservatives will stand up for what they believe in, even if it means they might lose (for now) whereas moderate Republicans just want to win.”
The difference is social cons are one or two issue voters where moderates spread their passion over many issues. They understand they might have to cede ground in one area to achieve victory in 2-3 others.
Yeah, we have been called so many names...I was trying to remember the terms the poster used. Christian Conservative works fine for me but it gives the impression that those on the other side aren’t which does concern me.
“That’s because the Christian conservatives have a Father in Heaven who looks out for them and looks over and takes care of all things in this world.”
He seems to have overlooked 50 million aborted babies.
Moreover, that pack strikes me as more about the business of making money with religion. The olde adage, follow the money, has never let me down.
There will always be popular religious figures, but I much prefer those along the lines of Mother Theresa who actually lived her faith instead of haranguing others to live her faith.
So, my Nomex undies are on. We can save some electrons by stipulating for those to whom it is important that I am a godless pagan, my thoughts are the cause of all that is wrong in the world, I favor dogs mating with cats, alchohol, dancing, etc.
So what’s you suggestion? A divorce?
That’s an Obama quote, not a Parker quote.
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